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Old 02-21-2013, 09:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm reading mixed results and the video from from Flow Fusion - N.A.S.T.Y. - New Active Strap Technology on Vimeo at 1:20 show no more shoe horning. Now that these have been out of a while, there should be enough people to provide good quality feed back. So I have a couple of questions. Please post based on actual experience rather than 2nd hand information from other sources.

1) Do the high backs stay down when these are new or do they have to be "broken in"

2) Do you need to pull the highback up first then the lock or can you pull the lock up and it will pull the highback up with one motion? I know it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference, more of a can it be down while moving, or does it take two hands? Am I going to be able to get this done before I hit the pile of skiers and boarders at the top of the lift after I get off.

3) Can you strap these on , while sitting on the chair lift?

And yes I've gone through the 35 pages of the NX2 thread, which is what caused my confusion. Some guy posted a video of difficulty strapping in. I'm not concerned about the issues about the buckles over tightening. That is a easy fix, Flow has already demonstrated they can make locking buckles if they want.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It seems flow bindings depend a lot on individual binding set up (i.e. strap tension, highback lean, etc) and boot size/shape. I have the Fives SE (without the N.A.S.T.Y.) and I haven't had any problems with shoe-horning. My girlfriend has the Minx, and hers are a little tight sliding her boot in--I think we still need to do some adjusting.

1) With the exception of when my bindings were brand new and having the highbacks pressed towards the ankle strap when my board was in a bag, my highbacks have always stayed down. I now try to leave them open and flat when I can.

2) I can pull up and lock my highback in one motion, while going. Takes a little practice, and will probably depend on if you've got the fit dialed in.

3) I suppose you could strap in on the lift? I've never tried and have never seen the need.

While my experience wasn't with the NX2, I would assume everything would only be easier with N.A.S.T.Y.
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Been riding NX2-AT's for about 20 days now. My take:

1. Mine have always stayed down from day one. No "break in" required on this front.

2. One motion / one hand. I do it all the time. Bending you knee & ankle a little make this an easy one motion move.

3. If the highback was already locked in position, I would say yes, though I have never tried.

One very key factor in setting up this binding: There are two position options for the highback. I am wearing a Burton Tribute size 11 and my bindings are Large. They were shipped with the highback in the front postion. No matter what I did they actually pinched my heal. Moved the highback to the rear position, moved the cable to the back position, reset my straps and they are now BRILLIANT !!!!!!! Locked in, easy in and out and very, very comfortable.
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i just post a review with mine on the BINDING REVIEW section and the shoe horning is a bit of an issue for me but,as i said i had the same issue with my flow 5 too when i had it new. It was my first day with my NX2 so my boot heel will break in the more i ride it. my highback stayed down with no issue too. boot size is 10 and i got the large size binding,no pinching issue with mine either. As Oldman said, it is comfortable once your locked in.
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I have the Five SEs too without NASTY. Echo what everyone else says. Little to no issues with shoehorning once you get the straps dialed in. I do each side with one hand. I imagine it's even easier with NASTY.

Out of the box never an issue with the high backs not staying down. Never tried strapping in on the lift. It takes only a few seconds on the ground.

The only issue I've encountered is the straps overtightening. I fixed this with electrical tape on the underside of the ladder. Flow's locking buckle needs improvement. Otherwise very nice product.
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The backs stay down. I am still working on lifting up and locking in one motion, but still really quick.

Only issue I have is when I put my foot in, I have to pull the straps back a little, then push my foot just a little more to be able to close up the back.

I can't seem to put my foot in with one nice motion. I put it in, pull the straps back a little, push my foot in a bit more, then lock up the back. The bindings are still new, so it might just be then needing to get broke in.

But they are great! I hear if I went with the NX2-GT or SE, it would remedy that problem. (I have the NX2-AT). But I might have to wait until next season to afford those.
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I don't know about these but the beginning of the video is pretty funny.
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I'm reading mixed results and the video from from Flow Fusion - N.A.S.T.Y. - New Active Strap Technology on Vimeo at 1:20 show no more shoe horning. Now that these have been out of a while, there should be enough people to provide good quality feed back. So I have a couple of questions. Please post based on actual experience rather than 2nd hand information from other sources.

1) Do the high backs stay down when these are new or do they have to be "broken in"

2) Do you need to pull the highback up first then the lock or can you pull the lock up and it will pull the highback up with one motion? I know it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference, more of a can it be down while moving, or does it take two hands? Am I going to be able to get this done before I hit the pile of skiers and boarders at the top of the lift after I get off.

3) Can you strap these on , while sitting on the chair lift?

And yes I've gone through the 35 pages of the NX2 thread, which is what caused my confusion. Some guy posted a video of difficulty strapping in. I'm not concerned about the issues about the buckles over tightening. That is a easy fix, Flow has already demonstrated they can make locking buckles if they want.
1) My SE's needed no break in period for the highbacks to stay down.

2) Putting the highback up is still a two set process but I can easily do it with one hand.

3) Yes I can strap mine on while on the chair lift but do not due to lift rules and personal safety.

I think I'm the only person to post a video in that thread of strapping in and I posted it to show how easy it was. My other video of my buckles being fucked up is still a real issue. I had my toes go cold and numb last night because my front foot's main ratchet tightened and I didn't notice.

To answer the title question yes the NASTY system does get rid of shoehorning. In fact it makes it easy to make them way too tight.
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You're still having that problem?
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It has been greatly reduced by backing the ladder strap with vinyl to make it thicker but it still happens because that isn't a real solution. When it happened it was right after a long hiking session where I was throwing the board around. Something I did with my previous Flows and was never a problem.
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