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i think for bindings a pair of cartels would serve you perfectly..or missions, as theyre basically last years cartels.


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I would recommend camber as well.

I'm surprised noone has mentioned the Ride El Hefe or the Raiden Machines.
Thanks for the suggestions, I never heard of those before: Upon further reading, the Ride El Hefe seems to be a stiff binding that people like.... Although not as common? I can't seem to find any being sold used...

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If you want some stiff, responsive, quality bindings, give the Salomon Calibers a try. I bought a pair this winter, and both myself and anyone who I let try out have loved them. I don't know why they don't get much of a mention on here, maybe simply cos they are not Burtons lol, but they are awesome.
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My son (12 yo) rides the Custom FV with an old C60 and nothing bothers him, pow, ice, hardback, jumps, ollies, powder... The board is pretty soft but I don't think he cares one bit, 12 and fearless.

Are you in good physical condition? Do you want to keep the setup for next 10 years? If speed is your thing and playful is not part of the vocab, and you are on hardback and ice and if you want to stick with Burton, then get a used T6 or T7 or a CustomX. Expensive but solid boards for speed and edge hold. I had a T6 and 2 Custom X's and they were speed machines, fearless in icy conditions. Your Clash is more freestyle and if you do well with the Clash in crap condition now, you will love the Custom X.

As for bindings, I just picked up the Diode for my son, big sale, and it is pretty awesome, light and stiff. I tend to avoid the EST bindings, I like to step on the screws and can use with other brands of boards.

A Burton sales guy told me this year's Mission is quite stiff and great performance to value.
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This years Missions are last years Cartels basically, and the Restricted Missions have the Asym strap also. Probably the best value for the buck


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I would recommend camber as well.

I'm surprised noone has mentioned the Ride El Hefe or the Raiden Machines.

I was going to the El Hefe's but I have herd that Ride has an issue with the ladders getting chewed up. I can't confirm this completely except to say that after very light use I noticed that the toe strap ladder already had some minor damage. So I sent them( the Maestro's) back and opted for the Union SL's.
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Are you in good physical condition? Do you want to keep the setup for next 10 years? If speed is your thing and playful is not part of the vocab, and you are on hardback and ice and if you want to stick with Burton, then get a used T6 or T7 or a CustomX. Expensive but solid boards for speed and edge hold. I had a T6 and 2 Custom X's and they were speed machines, fearless in icy conditions. Your Clash is more freestyle and if you do well with the Clash in crap condition now, you will love the Custom X.
Yesterday, I went to both the local Burton flagship store in NYC and REI and checked out all the gear and talked to people (customers and salespeople). I saw the 2013 Clash and it's now a straight rocker (my old 2002 is definitely straight camber)... With a fresh coat of wax, I can tackle anything with my old Clash, ice, tree runs, moguls, whatever... but after a day, it slows down noticeably. (Maybe it's the extruded base, doesn't hold wax for long?) I'm looking around for used Custom X's, but maybe people who have them just hold on to them cos I don't see much for sale, lol...

In any case, I brought my boots and tried on all the Burton bindings at the Burton store, and also other bindings at REI (Flow, Ride, Salomon, Union)... Just from what I've tried, for the price, I liked the Burton Cartel Limited. And no one seems to know if I can get adapter plates for my old Drakes :/ So if I'm getting new bindings, I might as well get EST Burtons... So I'm 95% set on getting the Cartel EST Limited (which I'm told is a combo of Cartel top and Malavita/Genesis bottom w/Hinge). It sounds like and felt like the Hinge doesn't affect front and back (heel/toe) flex, but gave a nice forgiving side to side flex which i didn't mind and actually felt comfy. And it felt stiff enough as my old Drakes. So I think that's a good combo. I didn't think I would like it, but it's different when you actually try it! Of course who knows who it'll feel in real-life conditions...

Also, it seems like traditional straight camber boards are hard to find now. Almost everything is rocker or a hybrid rocker...

So that's sort of where I stand now... Thanks again for all your input and the discussion!
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The hinge technology is only on a couple of higher end burton bindings. I have a set of diodes and front to back they are super duper mega stiff/responsive. The lateral flex in the hinge only flexes laterally, makes ollies easier and doesn't sacrifice control/response - I expect it will become standard in the burton line over time.
^This. You said it well and this is what I experienced trying them out at the store... Quite a nice feature that doesn't affect the front/back stiffness.

They said it gives a more skateboard-type ride. Maybe cos I used to skateboard, I like it? Lol, I really didn't expect to like this Hinge business... If I get a Burton binding with Hinge, I definitely wanna test out some ollies to see how they feel
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I see Custom X's quite frequently, try craigfind.com for craigslist metasearch. Quite a few listed on EBay too.

good luck, that would be a nice setup with Cartels and then a stiff boot to complement it.
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I see Custom X's quite frequently, try craigfind.com for craigslist metasearch. Quite a few listed on EBay too.

good luck, that would be a nice setup with Cartels and then a stiff boot to complement it.
Thanks~~ I guess what I meant is not a lot of good-priced used ones (when used ones are within 10% of what I can get off of big online retailers with their current end-of-season sale, then it's not worth getting them used...)

Anyways, I checked eBay again, and found an interesting "Series 13" (that was their made-to-order customizable line, right?) Custom X from someone local to me. It's a bit long (156cm) but good price and has the older 3D mount system (can use my old bindings, $$ saved)... Gonna see if I can get that one http://www.ebay.com/itm/140919568275 (lol please don't bid on that board, it's mine!!!! hehe... j/k if it's meant to be, it's meant to be...)

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