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Old 02-21-2013, 02:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Upgrading gear after 10 years... Stiff Bindings? (NE, USA)

Hi all, I'm glad I found this forum, lots of great discussions here. Spent a good few hours reading through stuff via searches. I still have some questions that wasn't answered elsewhere only because everyone's situation and preference is different... So I'd appreciate some advice:

I started boarding in 2001. So it's been 12 years. Used to go every weekend when I started, but these days, it's a few times a season.

Here's the essential info:
Location: 95% spent in Northeast: Vermont (Mt. Snow, Stratton, Sugarbush, Killington, etc.), NY (Hunter).
Style: 95% Groomed Trails, many times with ice or really hard packed snow. Almost never go to the park, maybe a few jumps, but these days, I'm really about the thrill of the speed going down, carving and using the whole width of the path, and just enjoying the scenery. I use both edges, comfortable on both edges, almost never flat ride it, always on an edge even if going straight I alternate heel and toe. I guess this is called "Freeride" style? Normally on fast blues and blacks. I don't see much powder (used to take trips to Canada or West, but I'm guessing once a season or two nowadays). I ride directional, almost never switch, so don't need a twin tip board.

Height: 5'5"
Weight: 130 lbs
Age: Late 30s
Stance: Regular
Binding Angles: Both front facing +24 front, +12 back
Shoe/Boot Size: US 10

Current Gear:
153cm Burton Clash (2002)
Drake F-60 Bindings Medium Size, Yellow/Black (2001 or 2002?)
Salomon F22 Boots (2009 or 2008?)


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Basically I'm riding with same gear I bought my second season out in 2002. First season I rented, then got a Burton Cruzer, then sold it and got what I have now. (Except boots, I upgraded a few years ago because the old one broke and also pinched/hurt my heels.) So now I'm looking to upgrade the gear. What I want from new gear:

1) Be able to ride stable and fast (my style of riding), quick response board so that I can make turns quickly and stop quickly. Again, I ride on the edges, heel and toe even if going in a relatively straight path down.

2) Keep what I like about my current setup, just update it with 10 more years of technology?
--> What I like about current setup: 1) Bindings are response and the stiffness is good. 2) I like the high back, makes it quick to turn and go where I want to go. 3) Boots are very comfortable and I'm not changing it.
--> What I don't like about current: 1) I want a toe strap on bindings that cover the toe and push it back towards heel. Mine just straps to the top, so I put it at the edge of the toe. This is to get the back of my boots tight against the high back for the control/response I like. I normally have to tighten a second time after strapping in and riding for a minute to get it snug and tight the way I like. 2) I board feels a bit heavy, I want something that's a bit more maneuverable, quick turning, i.e. not be afraid to go down moguls.

BOARD
So I punched in my preferences on the Burton snowboard selector and it spits out Custom Flying V in 148. I change parameters a little bit and it's always the #1 choice according to them... And just happened to find a great deal on the 2013 Custom Flying V, so I didn't really think much and ordered it. Now I'm wondering if that was the right choice (it's not a traditional camber board, but I think that's what is best for my style, right? At least it's directional.) I’m not dead set on a Burton board, but

BINDINGS
At that time, I was told to get the best bindings I can afford, so the Drake F-60s I believe were top of the line back then and I really liked the stiffness and response. What bindings are equivalent to those now? Seems like everything I research are flexible bindings (e.g. hinges on bindings that make it move laterally??). I’m not sure I’d like that. I want them stiff so that whatever force I transmit through my boots, the board responds right away… I guess I have an ICS Board, so I need to get EST. Or, if I can’t find anything worth buying now, keep the old Drakes and get an adapter plate to use with the ICS…

BOOTS
Again, recently updated and I find them very comfy and I can get it tight on the foot portion and slightly loose on the calf portion just the way I like it, so I’m keeping the boots.

Thanks in advance!

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Old 02-21-2013, 02:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow sounds like you have me beat lol, I just upgraded my board and bindings from 8 years ago . I would check out the union MC-Metafuse. They are super stiff but your gonna pay for them. Also check out the SL's( I just bought these) as they give a great all mountain feel that you can really take anywhere with you. The Burton cartels are also a all around favorite and a "safe" choice for most setups and you can get pretty good deal on them especially with end of season sales starting to pop up.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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the one drawback with your board choice is that flying V isn't the best for icy conditions, some are adamant about this point while others list it as a minor detraction, but you've bought the board so see if you like it's edge hold on ice or not. If you could swap that order for a burton custom camber I'd do it given your location and riding style. Unless -- you can keep the flying V and on nasty icy days ride your old stick if you find it's edge hold is better.

Cartels are a stiff binding at a good price. Stiffest burton binding is diodes, also lightest, also most expensive.

The hinge technology is only on a couple of higher end burton bindings. I have a set of diodes and front to back they are super duper mega stiff/responsive. The lateral flex in the hinge only flexes laterally, makes ollies easier and doesn't sacrifice control/response - I expect it will become standard in the burton line over time.

secondhand burton C60's are also super stiff and pretty light - forerunner to the diode binding - personally I would choose secondhand c60's over new cartels.

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Old 02-21-2013, 04:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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With your riding style and conditions, as well as what you're used to, you're going to want a relatively stiff cambered board. I'd look at the Burton Custom (definitely not the flying V version if you are dealing with ice a lot), the Custom X if you want a really stiff board, Rome Crossrocket, Arbor Element CX, Rome Anthem, Salomon XLT, Salomon Burner, Slash ATV Hub, Nitro Blacklight are some other options.

If you want to explore hybrid cambers which may be a little more playful and forgiving there are a ton of options. Never Summer, Lib Tech, etc. I'd stay away from Burton's hybrid shape for the type of riding you want to do, it's known for not having the best edge hold.

As far as bindings check out Rome, Union, Burton, and Raiden. See if you can go to your local shop, they all offer stiffer freeride/all mountain type bindings that are quality it mostly depends on which you like the fit and finish of the best. One of the big newer features is canting which angles the footbeds slightly inwards to take some pressure off your knees. A lot of people like that but it's a personal preference thing.
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With two positive angles you are probably one of the few riders that will benefit more froma flat footbed vs a canted one. I would look into Raiden Phantoms, Flux DMCC's or SF45's, or Rome Targas.

For that style of riding the Burton finder has failed you. You need something more in the 153-156 range and stiff and probably camber. From B you're better off with a Custom X or Custom Camber. Not from Burton look into the Ride Berzerker, K2 Slayblade, Salomon Mans Board, Bataleon Omni, Signal OG, or a Nitro Blacklight.
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With two positive angles you are probably one of the few riders that will benefit more froma flat footbed vs a canted one. I would look into Raiden Phantoms, Flux DMCC's or SF45's, or Rome Targas.

For that style of riding the Burton finder has failed you. You need something more in the 153-156 range and stiff and probably camber. From B you're better off with a Custom X or Custom Camber. Not from Burton look into the Ride Berzerker, K2 Slayblade, Salomon Mans Board, Bataleon Omni, Signal OG, or a Nitro Blacklight.

You might also consider Rome Targas or Nitro Raiden Blackhawks (canted).

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Thank you for your responses!

I know, I should have read up a little bit more before jumping on buying a board >< I guess I can always sell it without much loss and get the right board for me. Sounds like a stiffer cambered board is the way to go. However, does that affect its maneuverability? I guess I can't have both: stability on smooth straights and maneuverability and quickness on moguls, tree runs, etc...

Obviously my skill level has increased a lot since I got my old board, so I might be able to experiment a bit (i.e. shorter or longer boards, stiffer or less stiff bindings, etc.).

I think I'm going to have to bring my boot down to a shop and just test out different types/brands of bindings to see what is "stiff enough" for me, I guess... But the suggestions above gives me a starting point, so thanks. I'll probably not get Burtons, unless they've improved since the last time I was shopping for them 10+ years ago when people all told me to not get Burton bindings and that's why I got the Drakes...

I'm most likely getting used equipment anyways (or last year's / old new stock) to get the most bang out of my buck. I don't mind spending money where I have to, but don't want to waste it either...

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I reckon you want a slalom board
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Thank you for your responses!

I know, I should have read up a little bit more before jumping on buying a board >< I guess I can always sell it without much loss and get the right board for me. Sounds like a stiffer cambered board is the way to go. However, does that affect its maneuverability? I guess I can't have both: stability on smooth straights and maneuverability and quickness on moguls, tree runs, etc...

Obviously my skill level has increased a lot since I got my old board, so I might be able to experiment a bit (i.e. shorter or longer boards, stiffer or less stiff bindings, etc.).

I think I'm going to have to bring my boot down to a shop and just test out different types/brands of bindings to see what is "stiff enough" for me, I guess... But the suggestions above gives me a starting point, so thanks. I'll probably not get Burtons, unless they've improved since the last time I was shopping for them 10+ years ago when people all told me to not get Burton bindings and that's why I got the Drakes...

I'm most likely getting used equipment anyways (or last year's / old new stock) to get the most bang out of my buck. I don't mind spending money where I have to, but don't want to waste it either...
I would recommend camber as well.

I'm surprised noone has mentioned the Ride El Hefe or the Raiden Machines.
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Thank you for your responses!

I'll probably not get Burtons, unless they've improved since the last time I was shopping for them 10+ years ago when people all told me to not get Burton bindings and that's why I got the Drakes...

I'm most likely getting used equipment anyways (or last year's / old new stock) to get the most bang out of my buck. I don't mind spending money where I have to, but don't want to waste it either...
If you're an aggressive carving, speed oriented rider the Custom X would serve you very well, and while it's one of the more expensive boards out there it would not be money wasted. They are a relatively popular board for that degree of stiffness, so there are a lot of them on the used market.

I just picked up a 2009 Custom X with C60 bindings, in near perfect condition for a friend of mine for C$400 from Craigslist.

I wouldn't exclude Burton bindings, the medium to top end product is as good as the others.
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