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Oddly enough i rode cartels for the first time on tuesday........i liked my forces better. And its not like im some union fan boy, i just got off of ride rodeos into these union forces like midish way thru this season becuase i wanted to see just what it felt like to ride with no canting, just so happens i like the forces alot.

Its personal preference bro, you need to chill.
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Opinions are like assholes..

And I don't need to chill, "bro"

When I waste 200$ on garbage bindings I have a right to complain


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Bro, chill. And this is coming from one of this foums supposed Union "haters". They changed the toe strap. Its not a smaller clone of the old one either. The 2013 had that sorta curved from strip. The curve is gone. It's smaller and both strips are straight with a better material on the boot side. I havent had the chance I hopefully get to get in them, but I find it hard to believe these wont be 10 times better than this years.
I'm looking forward to this. Hopefully it's a fit similar to the Phantom toe, which I'm also a big fan of.

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Regarding the Factory, as I was told by the kid who walked me around Union at SIA the frame pictured is slightly different than production. You'll notice the heel area in the photo is identical to the Atlas, not filled on and not canted. I have a photo somewhere that shows what I was told is the production model with the canted heel and filled in heel pocket.
This make's sense. Alka probably should have led with this because clearly the catalog photo shows otherwise. I can see a few differences between the catalog photo and the sample that's in the second photo.

I'd still like to verify that the unpigmented nylon does in fact make the binding stiffer. You ever hear anything about this?

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Alka is right, everything from the Contact Pro down gets the lever release buckle, everything up gets a newly designed pressure release that is supposedly easier to "pop".
I'm eager to see how this new one works. If it's in fact a difference in design or the same design with tweaks that allow it to free up easier. And if the new design poses any new issues.

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Regarding caps vs straps, apparently there is a patent war going on over capped designs. And the best toe straps I've personally used were Flux and Raiden. Both of which I wouldnt really classify as caps. Being capped or not is a non issue for me as long as it fits. In fact I think caps are worse as they arent as conformable.
Agreed, caps are over rated. I have the Burton Get-a-grips and found the Atlas strap to be a better fit and more responsive. Apparently they work with my 3 pairs of boots better than some people can get them to work with theirs.
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Opinions are like assholes..
Couldnt agree more.....you have one too?
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An asshole? Yup! And an opinion haha


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Opinions are like assholes..

And I don't need to chill, "bro"

When I waste 200$ on garbage bindings I have a right to complain
Yes opinions are like assholes........and some people are just assholes....
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Oh stop, don't be all Canadian and whiny.

In MY experience Union makes a product that is not worth anywhere near it's retail cost. Any shop that I've gone into ( and yes, I buy local and actually talk to other riders) agrees that Unions are poorly designed and that they are outperformed by many other companies who aren't binding specific - including Salomon, Rome, Burton and more. So yea, I'm an asshole, there's my opinion.. When you buy bindings from a binding specific company ( THAT IS THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT THEY MAKE) then your first purchase after shouldn't be replacement toe caps or straps. I'm not a great rider and after 10 days on the hill, Union should have been embarassed by the way my bindings looked and worked. You'd think I was hitting 100 ft rails and dragging my bindings on them. You'd also think I was going for over the toe with my strap. I wasn't. If you don't like my opinion then SMD, this is what a forum is for.

I support companies who make quality products, listen to their customers and use that feedback to improve and who strive to outdo the others in their market. For me to see he same floppy, shapeless, flat toe poop attached to those bindings just makes me shake my head and be glad I trashed my forces


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Oh stop, don't be all Canadian and whiny.

In MY experience Union makes a product that is not worth anywhere near it's retail cost. Any shop that I've gone into ( and yes, I buy local and actually talk to other riders) agrees that Unions are poorly designed and that they are outperformed by many other companies who aren't binding specific - including Salomon, Rome, Burton and more. So yea, I'm an asshole, there's my opinion.. When you buy bindings from a binding specific company ( THAT IS THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT THEY MAKE) then your first purchase after shouldn't be replacement toe caps or straps. I'm not a great rider and after 10 days on the hill, Union should have been embarassed by the way my bindings looked and worked. You'd think I was hitting 100 ft rails and dragging my bindings on them. You'd also think I was going for over the toe with my strap. I wasn't. If you don't like my opinion then SMD, this is what a forum is for.

I support companies who make quality products, listen to their customers and use that feedback to improve and who strive to outdo the others in their market. For me to see he same floppy, shapeless, flat toe poop attached to those bindings just makes me shake my head and be glad I trashed my forces
Just for the record, all 3 of my Unions, each 2 seasons old or older, weren't in nearly as bad condition as yours. I don't know what you did in those 12 days of riding but they looked worse than my Force which have 100+ days on them. I'd say about 50% of the people I ride with ride Union and noone has had problems like that. Consider yourself the exception.
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I'd still like to verify that the unpigmented nylon does in fact make the binding stiffer. You ever hear anything about this?


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Yeah its legit. Same deal with the liquid urethane I use for sidewalls.
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Extremo, I know you don't have issues with yours. Like I said, I'm a good rider but not good enough to warrant that kind of wear and tear. The last straw was when I got on a lift and the plastic insert on my high back fell 60ft into the snow for NO reason.


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