2013 Cartel's! Can't be Centered?!! - Snowboarding Forum

chomps1211 · 02-28-2013, 08:08 AM

I was reading DreamPow's post about his 2013 Cartels and it appears I have a similar issue with mine. I bought & mounted these on my 2010/11 Arbor Roundhouse 163W exactly as I did my Old 2010/11 Cartels. (I have 2010 10.5 32 ST Boa boots)

These New Cartels cannot be centered on my Arbor. When I mount them In the most toe forward position possible, I have about a 1/2 inch of overhang on my toe & as much as an inch- inch & half of heel overhang! The board is unridable like this!!!

Now I demo'd these bindings back in Dec. and I was told the ones I tried were large bindings! (...the Demo'd pair were that ugly blue/teal color, Mine are the asphalt!) I rode those Demo Cartels on a few Burton boards and I liked the bindings so much I asked if I could try them on my Arbor! I loved them on my board!!! They were Super comfortable & I didn't notice any ride or performance problems with them on my Arbor board.

So I don't know why the ones I just purchased are like this! Defective maybe????? I can't use them like this, and I don't believe that going to a Med size will solve the problem like it did for DreamPow! I've had Med bindings on this Wide Arbor before & didn't like the way they rode! (...Too small for a wide board like this!)

Any suggestions? Is this something that others are experiencing? Should I contact Burton or just return them to REI & try another pair?

Appreciate your time & help!

Extremo · 02-28-2013, 08:52 AM

I think this is common with unibody bindings. Probably why they created the EST system. The reason I got rid of my Cartels was because I couldn't center the boots without the discs turned sideways, which obviously limits stance options to what ever the inserts fall at. I had the same problem with my Flux.

Now it appears that the smaller re:flex disc limits the adjustment range even more so.

I'm not sure why they don't spend more time on their disc design. Even ride includes multiple offset discs to rectify this issue.

Sick-Pow · 02-28-2013, 07:33 PM

trippy, never heard of that. I have cartels from 2008, look centered to me.

Extremo · 02-28-2013, 07:37 PM

It's the new reflex disks. See Dreampow's thread.

Supra · 02-28-2013, 08:00 PM

to the OP, can you put up pics of the un-centered bindings (topview please).
I've never come across this. Large bindings overhanging on a wide board!

Joe77 · 02-28-2013, 08:32 PM

Same issue i had with my medium Custom too. I turned the disc 90 degrees and forward backward adjustment was either toe overhang or heel overhang with my 10" boots.

kaborkian · 02-28-2013, 08:59 PM

Had the same problem with Customs, they were a Large with size 10 boots. You need mediums.

dubstatic · 03-01-2013, 01:07 AM

same issues with my size 10.5 32 boots. I have 2009 burtons so I have the old disc so I can just make the bindings work on my capita. I tried putting my boot in a med burton binding and everything just seemed to snug.

chomps1211 · 03-01-2013, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supra

to the OP, can you put up pics of the un-centered bindings (topview please).
I've never come across this. Large bindings overhanging on a wide board!

Here's the disk set up. In Most toe forward position!
diskphoto.JPG

disk2photo.JPG

Here's all the heel overhang that position gives me:
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Heelphoto.JPG

Almost no toe overhang:
toe2photo.JPG

photo.JPG

sorry about upside down pics,.. I edited them but iPhone apparently embeds the orientation regardless!!!

chomps1211 · 03-01-2013, 07:48 AM

Now that CAN'T be right can it? My 2010/11 Cartels are a tiny bit heel heavy when centerd using the same (relative) bolt holes. This is an unridable situation for this board! It's already a bit hard to initiate toeside turns with it being a wide board as is. But with NO toe side Leverage??? this sucks, and I don't know why the Cartel's I demo'd didn't feel this bad on this board!!

I noticed how different, bad/squirelly this setup felt the very first time I rode it, but I thought I just had to dial in my hi-backs & angles! This set up isn't ridable as it is!

02-28-2013, 08:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
chomps1211 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: S.E. Mich. Posts: 799	2013 Cartel's! Can't be Centered?!! I was reading DreamPow's post about his 2013 Cartels and it appears I have a similar issue with mine. I bought & mounted these on my 2010/11 Arbor Roundhouse 163W exactly as I did my Old 2010/11 Cartels. (I have 2010 10.5 32 ST Boa boots) These New Cartels cannot be centered on my Arbor. When I mount them In the most toe forward position possible, I have about a 1/2 inch of overhang on my toe & as much as an inch- inch & half of heel overhang! *The board is unridable like this!!!* Now I demo'd these bindings back in Dec. and I was told the ones I tried were large bindings! (...the Demo'd pair were that ugly blue/teal color, Mine are the asphalt!) I rode those Demo Cartels on a few Burton boards and I liked the bindings so much I asked if I could try them on my Arbor! I loved them on my board!!! They were Super comfortable & I didn't notice any ride or performance problems with them on my Arbor board. So I don't know why the ones I just purchased are like this! Defective maybe????? I can't use them like this, and I don't believe that going to a Med size will solve the problem like it did for DreamPow! I've had Med bindings on this Wide Arbor before & didn't like the way they rode! (...Too small for a wide board like this!) Any suggestions? Is this something that others are experiencing? Should I contact Burton or just return them to REI & try another pair? Appreciate your time & help! __________________ *You're only Young Once,.. but you can be Immature FOREVER!!!!* 2012/13 Season; (48) days out!

03-01-2013, 07:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
chomps1211 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: S.E. Mich. Posts: 799	Now that CAN'T be right can it? My 2010/11 Cartels are a tiny bit heel heavy when centerd using the same (relative) bolt holes. This is an unridable situation for this board! It's already a bit hard to initiate toeside turns with it being a wide board as is. But with NO toe side Leverage??? this sucks, and I don't know why the Cartel's I demo'd didn't feel this bad on this board!! I noticed how different, bad/squirelly this setup felt the very first time I rode it, but I thought I just had to dial in my hi-backs & angles! This set up isn't ridable as it is! __________________ *You're only Young Once,.. but you can be Immature FOREVER!!!!* 2012/13 Season; (48) days out! Last edited by chomps1211; 03-01-2013 at 07:58 AM. Reason: adding pertinent info!

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02-28-2013, 08:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Extremo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NH Posts: 3,112	I think this is common with unibody bindings. Probably why they created the EST system. The reason I got rid of my Cartels was because I couldn't center the boots without the discs turned sideways, which obviously limits stance options to what ever the inserts fall at. I had the same problem with my Flux. Now it appears that the smaller re:flex disc limits the adjustment range even more so. I'm not sure why they don't spend more time on their disc design. Even ride includes multiple offset discs to rectify this issue.

02-28-2013, 07:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sick-Pow Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,229	trippy, never heard of that. I have cartels from 2008, look centered to me.

02-28-2013, 07:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Extremo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NH Posts: 3,112	It's the new reflex disks. See Dreampow's thread.

02-28-2013, 08:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
Supra Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	to the OP, can you put up pics of the un-centered bindings (topview please). I've never come across this. Large bindings overhanging on a wide board!

02-28-2013, 08:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Joe77 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 52	Same issue i had with my medium Custom too. I turned the disc 90 degrees and forward backward adjustment was either toe overhang or heel overhang with my 10" boots.

02-28-2013, 08:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
kaborkian Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 81	Had the same problem with Customs, they were a Large with size 10 boots. You need mediums.

03-01-2013, 01:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
dubstatic Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 54	same issues with my size 10.5 32 boots. I have 2009 burtons so I have the old disc so I can just make the bindings work on my capita. I tried putting my boot in a med burton binding and everything just seemed to snug.