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cartels, ride capo's or 390 boss for my t rice

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#1 ·
hey guys, i'm finally buying some gear (after renting for the last 7) and bought a 153 lib tech t rice and 32 lashed boots (size 8.5). I mainly ride groomers, want to start going off piste a bit more and enjoy powder runs when i get to japan :) i love bombing down and no park stuff as yet.

I just can't decide on the bindings! Its down to 3 choices:

Ride capo 2013 ($215) are all aluminium chassis which means stronger and stiffer? Downside is that supposedly it creates dead spots in the board compared to plastic? The he 2013 models have smaller baseplates however and they are supposedly flexy. Ive been trawling thru these forums and some people had complaints with ride capo's ratchet design saying that they had problems with grip and it chewing teeth. Hoping this is fixed on the 2013's as they feature the new binding. I really like the idea of the wedgie 2.5 canted footbeds as my knees are effed. Im just concerned these might be TOO stiff...not sure if thats what i want for my board and my style of riding. (1 year warranty and unlimited on baseplate and heelcup)

Burton cartels 2013 ($183). Everyone seems to rave about this binding and it only has only positive reviews..i just dont know how well there "autocant" system works and think it might be a bit gimmicky! Do they save ur knees like the capo wedgie footbeds? (1 year warranty)

Rome 390 boss ($173). Again everyone raves about this binding. Its medium flex but i wonder if too soft for my setup/riding style? canted footbeds like the ride capo's. (2 year warranty)

They are seem to have pretty much equivalent tech and rate highly. I just cant decide which is best for my money, my knees and my setup/ride style.

Any advice to help me narrow it down and pick one would be greatly appreciated. CHEERS! :yahoo:
 
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#2 ·
Based on your described riding style I would say either the 390 Boss or the Cartel. The Capo will be overkill for you. I can't speak on the Autocant system as I have never used it, but I can say that the Yes I Cant on the Rome's is amazing. My knees would hurt after a ong day of shredding in my Union Flites, but in my 390 Boss there is zero soreness in them at the end of the day. Canting works. It made a believer out of me.
 
#14 ·
Check out Rome Targas. It has different settings to make ur bindings med flex to super stiff flex. Snowolf did a review in the bindings review section. I'm on my iPhone or I would post the link. Also, evo.com has them on sale for $187. But I haven't checked anywhere else for better deals.
With the riding style ur doing, get stiffer bindings. Canted beds has great reviews alone



What degree of angle u running on ur canted bed?
 
#3 ·
The Cartel's are a "safe" choice since they are definitely good. I may be a little biased toward burton but I think you will be much happier if you go with either of the other two choices. And may take a look at the Union bindings. I just bought a pair and can't say enough good things about them.

I rode the Ride Maestro's and they felt pretty good, granted they were a little snug for my boots but even with the footbeds my Union SL's felt much more comfortable and flexible.
 
#15 ·
IS3, I use the full 3.5 degree. The 2 degree was alright, but the 3.5 just felt better to me. OP, the Targas are a solid choice from everything I have heard. They were what I was going to buy before I got my 390 Boss. I might still buy a pair if I catch them for the right price.
 
#18 ·
checkin out the maestro..they might be a good choice ahead of the capo if i want something a little more forgiving but still stiffer. I wish all the brands used the same flex rating system. id really like to know how maestros compare to cartels compared to rome targa. I think id shy away from the cartels just cos of the auto cant system vs real canting. however how to know which binding from rome/ride match in flex
 
#19 ·
Lots of good suggestions on here. Only way for you to actually decide is to get some and try them out. If you don't like them sell them before you put too much wear on them. As far as the stiffness goes, you need to figure it out. Just because I prefer stiff baseplate doesn't mean you will. Your really just going to need to pick one and see how it goes unless you can find a place to demo them. Not the answer you're looking for but it's the truth.
 
#21 ·
We told you what binding fits your needs. Now the next thing is, to figure out if the toe strap of the binding you want fits your boots. This is where a shop that has the bindings you want, would come in handy. You can try them and if you dont like them, dont buy them.

Good Luck
 
#23 ·
thanks guys for all the info/help. im heading into my local snowboard shop today and check them out. i feel kinda bad using them to suss my gear and then buying online...but when u sell 32 lashed boots for 400 AUD and boards for $800 AUD when they are 400 online from the US what do you expect?
 
#24 ·
I know what you mean. That's why I am hunting for bargains in the State now since it is almost the end of the season for them and the start of the season for us in a couple of months. Are you using a forwarding company to see your snow gear over? Not sure how much the board cost though for shipping over to Oz from the States, but I have a few items that are not big and they can fit in a medium box so it will be cheaper to consolidate them.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Gotta do what you gotta do, to save a buck or 2 ;)

I do it all the time. There is this store by me(www.evo.com), and they have an online site as well. The funny thing is, the sales that are on their online site, are not on sale at the store :icon_scratch:

Just dont tell the people that your going to buy online, before you waste their time. They might be bias and try to convince you to buy a sales pitch, instead of what you want. Keep your game face on and get what you want, not what they want you to buy.
 
#26 ·
hmm yeh i dont use a forwarding company cos then it just gets too hard. i got the t rice shipped for like 60 bucks. bargain. some brands arent allowed to be shipped to aus but between evo.com dogfunk.com and ebay i can generally find what i want :) if i feel too guilty ill buy stomp pad from them for 20 bucks lol
 
#28 ·
ahhh i really wanted to go with the burton cartels and end all this pain haha...but i suspected the autocant would be questionable when compared to real canting in the rides...and youre the second person to try it and agree. so i think ill go for real canting.

so ride capos are too stiff for me, cartels autocant is dodgy, rome boss is too flexy...so im back at square one :dizzy:

1. maestros could be a good alternative to the capos - a little less stiff but $239 - would these be similar flex to cartels?

2. Targas can dial in ur own flex so i could check them out

3. nitro blackhawks (as suggested above) seems like a contender, cant find many reviews on this tho

thoughts on these 3?
 
#29 · (Edited)
I think you misunderstood. I said I didn't notice the Burton didn't have it.

I.e. no difference between the canted bindings and the Burton autocant.

Of course I could be one of those guys who has a larger tolerance for different cant angles.

The Raiden Blackhawk is a fine binding. I would have kept it except my boot was a bit small in it (7.5) and couldn't center it right. Even with it not being centered (heel heavy) I had a blast on them. Responsive enough to go as fast as I needed (Coda). I'm no speedster but hit 35mph+ here and there before I pussy out.

But playful enough to do straight airs and such.

The T Rice might be stiffer than the Coda though so others should chime in on Blackhawk compatibility.

There is the Raiden Machine that combines air dampening and canting. That's the best of all worlds. I'd jump on that myself if it weren't rated so stiff (put them on a Cobra ...)

If Raiden is listening. Do that shit for the Phantom or blackhawk please!
 
#31 ·
I have not done a side by side but Ride bindings are generally stiffer than average as Ride boards are damper than average.

E.g., Ride EX is plenty of binding for most applications. No experience with the maestro but it sounds pretty good based on others' feedback.
 
#32 ·
The 390 Boss will not be to soft and flexy for your T. Rice. I use mine on a 2014 NS Heritage and they pair up great. I still say Cartels or 390 Boss for your needs. The Targas would be a good choice as well. Not that different in terms of stiffness from the 390 Boss, but they do have a little more adjustability.
 
#36 ·
its hard for me to decide on a binding cos everyone likes most of the bindings ive listed. i guess the deciding factor is whether it would be suited to me - an intermediate rider on a 153 t rice. i like to bomb down and carve and want to start doing some jumps (not park per se) and some people have suggested that a flexier binding (still relatively stiff) might be easier for someone to learn to nail their landings...thats why ive decided maestros or blackhawks
 
#37 ·
hey guys, so i worked out how much each binding would cost me (including shipping to aus) so hopefully i can pick the best binding for the price - might finally get a winner!


burton cartels - $242.44
k2 company - $259.34
rome 390 boss - $323.90
ride maestros - $351.58
raiden blackhawks - can't get them shipped here :(

so its outta the first 4. all have canting of some sort, all are medium flex all mountain bindings and all get great reviews. which do you guys think is the best value for my $$

cheers!
 
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