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Old 03-03-2013, 06:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've recently picked up a set of bindings with the option to cant in an effort to save on my knees and legs. Since using them I've noticed a so issues with Heel Side turns. I've been using my Rome 390 Boss for about a month now and every time I use them it feels like I'm constantly tweaking them in an effort to fix the heel side turn issues. Honestly I've given these bindings a fair shot, but always it feels like my heel side turns are going to wash out any minute. In coming from being a dedicated Union user mostly the Force and Contact. Here is the issues I'm having with the heel side;

1) on heel side turns it feels like the sole length is off like the binding is going to wash out in steeps.

2) on normal turns the heel side turns feel loose and sketchy, like I'm on ice all the time.

3) on icy patches there is zero grip, the board slides too easily. I use Lib-Tech boards and the only thing that saves most turns is the Magne-Traction edges. Now most people will say don't turn on ice but when you're used to Lib-Tech edges over the years that's tough to ask.

4) slip sliding in steeps is almost too scary to do properly. Feels like the board is going to pitch forward onto the toe side any second.

I've been snowboarding for 12+ years and ride pretty aggressively but it feels like these bindings are making me step backwards. I don't give up on gear too easily but I'm at the end of my rope. I've tried these on both my boards, my TRS and most recently my Skate Banana. Both with similar results, I'm about to give up and just sell them off because whenever I use them my day isn't as good. I've used both the 2.0 and 3.5 canting, I'm using more forward lean than I've ever had, tried the straps in multiple locations. Adjusted both stance width and angles but nothing helps. The boots are dead center in the bindings and still ride like they're not. Can it be the canted foot beds that are causing this issue? It's the only idea I have left. Anyone else having similar issues or using Rome bindings here that can give any suggestions.

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Old 03-03-2013, 07:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What size bindings and boots? Any pics? I know you said they were centered but objective eyes might help.

I have the 390s and targas. It felt soo much better when I put the front straps towards the rear. I have size 10 boots in the l/xl bindings. I've felt that wash out feeling towards heelside before. I rotated my binding plates and it felt much better. Maybe the combo of moving my straps helped as well? Not sure..

I know you said the boots are centered in the bindings. Does that also mean your feet are centered on the board edge to edge? I know, dumb question but just making sure.
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What size bindings and boots? Any pics? I know you said they were centered but objective eyes might help.

I have the 390s and targas. It felt soo much better when I put the front straps towards the rear. I have size 10 boots in the l/xl bindings. I've felt that wash out feeling towards heelside before. I rotated my binding plates and it felt much better. Maybe the combo of moving my straps helped as well? Not sure..

I know you said the boots are centered in the bindings. Does that also mean your feet are centered on the board edge to edge? I know, dumb question but just making sure.
Boots range between a size 10.5 burton and 11 Thirty Two. Binding size size is L/XL. Front straps are set to the rear but they move to the front pretty easy too just by riding the lifts.

When you say binding plates give me any idea. The sole length, or screw that controls the center if the boot is set to the middle.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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By binding plates I meant the discs. Are they set up vertical or horizontal. I wear a size 10 and left the canted beds as close together as possible. Not sure of the footprint of your boot if you need to extend the bases for your toe and heel.

As far as your front straps. Mine are locked in towards the rear. They don't move per say. They should be locked in the notches and not moving from the front position to the rear position.
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That sounds solely like a forward lean problem

I let someone try one of my boards a while ago, right away they commented on how far forward my forward lean was set @.
They wanted to changed it, I said don't fuckin' touch it.
Told them to just do a run, then see if they wanted to still change it.

It took 3, mine are quite far forward
After that they thought it was great & left it.

When I hopped on his board, He had lost his adjusters.
I couldn't do a hard carve worth shit, just puttin' around it wasn't too bad.
But good luck with any precision riding, especially @ speed.

You could still steer, by skidding around, but yuck what a horrible way to go.
I want to be able to quickly get out of they way of everything if need be.(gnargoyles, retards, ninjas, etc)

Even if it looks like they are farther forward than your other bindings, they must not be.
If it doesn't feel like @ every moment, you're going to catch your toe side edge & eat shit.

Then keep crankin' em forward, don't even look @ the numbers.
Start @ the far end of the spectrum, set them to as far forward as they will go.

I'm pretty sure that will be to much, but you'll know it's working @ least.
Then fine tune them to where you want them.

This is IMO the most important part of that.
Once you have them perfect, right where you want them.
Put them one notch farther forward.
That's where they should be, not where you thought they were perfect.

You're just not used to it yet & @ first you'll think they are too far forward, but trust me here.
It'll take about 1 or 2 runs until you get used to it.

Then your confidence will shoot through the roof.
I guaran-fuckin'-tee, you will be doing the hardest heel side carves you've ever done.



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I can tell you this, it's not the canting. My 390 Boss bindings do not cause me to wash excessively on my heel at all. And I run the full 3.5 degree cant. Do you have your straps set for flexy, responsive, or middle of the road? That could be part of your problem. Pics maybe? That might help us figure it out better.
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I can tell you this, it's not the canting. My 390 Boss bindings do not cause me to wash excessively on my heel at all. And I run the full 3.5 degree cant. Do you have your straps set for flexy, responsive, or middle of the road? That could be part of your problem. Pics maybe? That might help us figure it out better.
I've tried the straps in the middle and lower positions both with the same results. Upper position I haven't tried but on another pair of bindings I tried it and hated it. Might have to try it in these. Was out today riding again and switched my bindings back to my Unions with zero issues. My Skate Banana felt normal once again which makes me believe its the bindings.

I'm convinced now more that ever bindings are subjective, what works for one person will not work the same for another. I got these on a suggestion from a friend he's riding a Rome Agent Rocker with the 390 Boss and loves them. I'm beginning to think it could be the padding, that I'm not used to riding a binding with so much base plate padding like the 390's. both the Union Force and Contact place your feet closer to the top sheet of the board than the 390's.

I'm at a loss here but it looks like I'm going to be calling DogFunk for an RA number very soon. I think I might be giving up on these and sticking with Union when it comes to bindings. Seems that's what works for me. I lihe the Canting and my knees were thankful for it too. But I'm not going to sacrific performance for comfort, that seems silly.
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Bindings are kind of subjective, like most other components of snowboarding. You can definitely feel more board with a Union binding. If you return the 390 Boss, and can wait until next season, then Union has added canting to their line on at least one pair of their bindings.
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Bindings are kind of subjective, like most other components of snowboarding. You can definitely feel more board with a Union binding. If you return the 390 Boss, and can wait until next season, then Union has added canting to their line on at least one pair of their bindings.
Saw them but I'm wondering in order to build up the canting they will thicken the base plate padding which will result in the same feel as the 390's. I might give these one more shot and crank up the forward lean to ridiculous and see if that helps. But I'd swear the sole length feels wrong but it's set to Rome's specs. I wish they had more adjustment options for that like Union does.
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You might wanna try running the straps in the upper position as well. Rome claims that's the more responsive one, so it can't hurt I suppose. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that. It could be the forward lean too. I've got mine cranked, partially for fit purposes, and partially for performance purposes. My guess on the Unions is that they are just going to cant the footbed, and not mess with the baseplate dampening. That way you get the comfort of the cant, but still get the board feel Union is known for.
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