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Old 03-31-2013, 03:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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hey guys,

are rear entry bindings as convenient as they look? im questioning if they only really make a difference if the surface your strapping up in is always going to be flat and easy? is it difficult to actually make the most of them if your strapping up on a decent hill/slope?

i cant imagine it being easy all the time with difference surfaces? any feedback on this would be a great help, as im close to purchasing them, for all mountain rinding, and im not sure whether i should stick with normal bindings and play it safe instead.. i mean i can easily strap up ok standing up on flat surfaces as it is..

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I've never owned a pair of traditional strap bindings (started with the Burton step-in system and Flows for the past 7-8 years) so I have nothing to compare to but I like the convenience of just stepping into my binding and closing the high back. People have complained of trying to use them on a sloped surface but I believe there is a new model that allows you to use them like a traditional strap binding if you choose to.

There's some good info here on the new Flow's:

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/bin...ng-2013-q.html

K2 also makes a similar product (the Cinch) which may be of interest as well.

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I'd used flow bindings(the 5, and now the NX2-AT) for 3 seasons now and i really enjoy them. I had the union force before and i can strap easily while standing but i prefer the flows better. as people say,its all up to you. the new flow you can strap if needed like a traditional binding, i tried it at home but not on the mountain cuz i never needed to, but at least i know i can
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I'd used flow bindings(the 5, and now the NX2-AT) for 3 seasons now and i really enjoy them. I had the union force before and i can strap easily while standing but i prefer the flows better. as people say,its all up to you. the new flow you can strap if needed like a traditional binding, i tried it at home but not on the mountain cuz i never needed to, but at least i know i can

Are they as least as tight as regular bindings, when you stap in without the ratchets ??
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Are they as least as tight as regular bindings, when you stap in without the ratchets ??
Flows are not as tight as regular bindings and they're not intended to be. With The 'I' strap, you get more contact over the boot, so you're not cranking down on a couple of simple straps.

Whether or not this causes loss of control -- or significant loss of control -- is a source of endless debate. Whether or not it's worth it for the convenience is also endlessly argued.

Personally, I own NXT-ATs and Rome 390s, and my board has the Flows on it while the Romes sit in a box. That says it all for me.
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I prefer my Flow Trilogy's over my Burton Missions on both my park and mountain boards.
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Are they as least as tight as regular bindings, when you stap in without the ratchets ??
I've used the k2 cinch and you can set them too tight, not that you'd want to have numb feet.
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I've used the k2 cinch and you can set them too tight, not that you'd want to have numb feet.
With the new NX2's I'd guess you can also set them too tight. Since the straps descend on the boot when you pull up the highback, it just becomes a question of how hard you want to yard on the highback and clip.
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Here's me taking a run at my local hill with my NXT-ATSE's. You can see how convenient they are and why I like that. I also feel no reduction in control with them. With my NX2's it is even easier and I can't make my foot go numb. The most important thing to remember that the non NASTY Flow can not compensate for a poor fitting boot like a 2 strap can.

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don't forget there are other things to consider when purchasing bindings. like boards, bindings can be on the stiffer or softer side. the shape of the highbacks (canted) is also a consideration, as well as how much forward lean (if you use that) you can get. as already mentioned in another post, it's an ongoing debate over whether or not you lose control. many experienced riders LOVE their flow bindings, and rip using them. On the other hand, how much time are you really going to save switching to rear entry bindings? If you can get the performance and comfort and features out of rear entry that you want, then great, go for it. If you have to sacrifice (in your opinion) one of those aspects, it might not be worth it just to spare a few seconds. I use traditional toe and ankle strap bindings, and it takes just a few seconds to strap in. At the end of the day, I am of the opinion that personal preference overrides all considerations. What do YOU want and like in a binding. That's the questions.
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