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Union Force vs Burton Cartels

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#1 ·
I Have a 2014 lib tech skate Banana. I can get the Forces pretty cheap. I would rather the Cartels. Any suggestions?
 
#3 · (Edited)
I have had both but sold the cartels because they were too stiff for me. What kind of riding do you do? And what kind of stiffness are you looking for?

I ride the 2013 force and I love how it feels but toe strap is a pain in the ass to pop loose riding up to the lift. If you can deal with that, then that's what I would suggest.
 
#30 ·
Yeah, you're referring to the 2013 and older Unions. They revamped the toe straps on all Union models and added push pins to some. Is it an overall fix? I couldn't tell you. I coughed up some dough for a pair of the 2014 Atlas and 2014 Contacts and to me, the toe straps are easier to get out of than my 2012 flites. Most people don't have a clue unless they do their own homework and get off their ass and into a shop and do the dirty work. Everybody wants to take the golden word of the internet..."I saw it on the internet, so it must be true"
 
#4 ·
Yea. It's just the toe strap that is tough sometimes.

But once you figure it out. It's always easy.

Instead of just pulling up on the one side of the buckle with your thumb. Pull AND PUSH down on the other side of the buckle. Pops out easy every time!
 
#11 ·
Love the Force I got last year.

If you go the Union route, take the time to dial them in. Everyone fits differently. Took me a few days of riding to really figure them out and get the settings right. Once I did I was completely happy with them and had no problems with getting them on/off, tight/loose, or any sort of pain.
 
#15 ·
both are awesome bindings and u will be happy with either but i feel as though forces would be so much more ideal on a skate banana than the cartels. the flex pattern is better suited and will have a more natural flow. but depends on what style of riding ur into. cartels are better suited for an all-mountain style of riding as apposed to freestyle. malavitas would be more on point for freestyle.

love my forces, absolutely bomb-proof. going onto my 3rd season with them, well over 120 days and only needed to replace one ladder but that was only because i let my friend borrow the board and it came back folded/creased about 3cm from the tip of the ladder. it still clipped in just fine and there was nothing wrong with riding them like that but i have a bit of an OCD issue when it comes to things like that. i know a lot of people that went with cartels and parts were falling apart after about the 50 day mark. also not the biggest fan of canted footbeds.
 
#29 · (Edited)
Where are you reading that I said your recommendation or opinion was wrong? I dont see it. I see where I point out things you call opinions are indeed facts.

Your "opinion" about more boardflex is wrong based on physics. You compared flex numbers between brands, then denied it. And you gave your experience with their durability. I didn't say yours was wrong, simply gave mine as well. Then I gave my personal opinion.

Someones angry I called them out on the interwebz!
 
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