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I had the Prophecy too and I thought there were just too soft. I was kind of disappointed in those and that was one of the reasons I was hesitant to buy the Genesis. But the Genesis are way better and didn't let me down as far as response. Im really pleased with the Genesis, best Burton binding yet in my opinion.
Very interesting. I always felt I wanted something a bit more playful. I was going to put the Ps on my T. Rice and get something a bit more playful for my Proto. Was thinking Genesis or 'Vitas. I really want some canting... and the Vitas deliver there. I really wish I could put the Vita footbeds in the Genesis. THAT would be my perfect binding.

I was looking at Union Factorys too, just for the canting, but I've heard they are stiff from some people, and that they are super flexible from others...
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I don't use much canting anymore. After all these years of various canted setups I like it flat, it just feels better to me especially when riding an EST setup. But I ride a lot of park and pipe and use something around 15/-12.

I know the 2014 Genesis has new straps but the 2013 are great and I really wonder what's any different about the strap. It looks like they just exposed the guts of it. Either way mine are great as is.

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You had a chance to try the 2014's yet? The high back tech looks like it'll either me amazing or gimmicky.
Highback on the 2013-14 is exactly the same as on the previous model.
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I thought the high back looked like BS when I got them but I like it a lot. It actually works. Although I do find my pants getting caught in it a lot.
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I had the Prophecy too and I thought there were just too soft. I was kind of disappointed in those and that was one of the reasons I was hesitant to buy the Genesis. But the Genesis are way better and didn't let me down as far as response. Im really pleased with the Genesis, best Burton binding yet in my opinion.
Curious, because the Prophecy was stiffer than the Genesis. Not necessarily (much) more responsive, but stiffer for sure.

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I know the 2014 Genesis has new straps but the 2013 are great and I really wonder what's any different about the strap. It looks like they just exposed the guts of it. Either way mine are great as is.
2013-14 straps are completely different. It is not just 'exposing the guts', but a completely new concept similar to the dual highback. Too early to tell for sure, but it feels pretty cool when playing around with it.

But I agree that the Reacstrap last year was fantastic, too - between that and the asym ankle strap on the Restricted Mission/Cartel Burton has had some pretty amazing straps in recent years.

Oh, and the 'awesome new double sided teeth on the straps' are mostly just a gimmick.
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Curious, because the Prophecy was stiffer than the Genesis. Not necessarily (much) more responsive, but stiffer for sure.
Ah ha! We agree on something!

I did think something was fishy about the new "double teeth" ladder deal. I heard it was to secure the straps better, but if anything, Burton has some of the best ratchets/ladders in the biz. Not sure why anything new was needed.
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Im not so sure how much of a science all this binding design is. Some of it seems more like "try this idea". The Prophecy was just too soft for me. Not sure if it was more a lack of responsiveness or what. But the Genesis is responsive so I don't find myself complaining about performance like I did with the Prophecy. I think that's what I like about the Genesis, I never find myself looking for anything more out of the binding.
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Ah ha! We agree on something!

I did think something was fishy about the new "double teeth" ladder deal. I heard it was to secure the straps better, but if anything, Burton has some of the best ratchets/ladders in the biz. Not sure why anything new was needed.
Not saying the new ladders are fishy. I am sure they will work fine (some of the demos apparently had issues, but I did not play around with those and I trust Burton to get it right) but they just seem unnecessary.
Oh and they are not like worm gear, unlike what some people believe - in fact, the whole concept of the new straps means that you tighten them less, so no need for an extra gearing effect in the ratchet/ladder.

I think we have agreed on plenty of other things before
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I like them a lot more than the cartels. I think the design is better allowing for a more flexible "feeling" binding while not compromising responsiveness. I used to ride Co2s and these Genesis are just as responsive in my mind but achieved through design rather than just a stiff ass binding. I ride pipe, park, steeps and this is the first time I feel like all of this EST bologna is finally paying off. I finally notice a more responsive ride all the way around without feeling like Im riding an old bomber setup. Get them you'll notice the upgrade.
That is the perfect way to describe the Genesis. My next response was going to be along those lines. I think I will be sticking to using the Genesis on most of my boards for quite a while unless Burton does something stupid to them of course haha. I'm not sold yet on the new hammock strap and the react straps on the '13s are great so i'm perfectly happy with my 2013's.
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I rode the 2014's last year. They're pretty nice. Def as supportive as cartels but way more comfy. However, the cartels are plenty awesome and I choose those just because they're cheaper
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