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NS Proto HD 157, Should I return?

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#1 · (Edited)
hey tried asking this on proto hd review thread but guess it got buried there

I picked this up last week, and I actually can return to get HD X it in a week!!

riding with salomon 11.5 boots and flow trilogy XL bindings, what do you think? toe drag issue... this is pretty much my stance

i rode it once and didn't notice anything, in or out park, carving etc... what do you think



 
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#5 · (Edited)
man sure?, pretty much i just checked my receipt again i can by s'day, oh god it's a lot of money you know, i mean i rode it last week and I was convinced that it was fine, didn't have any dragging, but how about during pow days carving....I always ride with a duck stance, to do switching...
i did 44.1 mph without trying on this btw (according to alpine replay)
 
#6 ·
You are riding on the east coast. I ride here and wouldn't worry about that much overhang. I have a 157 Proto and don't have any issues at all with size 11s. Unless you plan on doing some alpine carving turns on that thing, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I actually sold my wide Proto CTX to get the regular width CT... and am immensely happy I did that. Edge to edge transition is SOOOOO much better.
 
#8 ·
tilt the board up on its edge until the toes hit the carpet. It probably takes alot more of an angle then you think. My setup has some over hang (looks like it maybe less than yours) but for mine to come close to dragging on edge I'm probably eating snow in a second anyway.

I have a 154 proto and 11s fwiw.

yea i guess not like we receive lot of powder anywho, i will be in Colorado this december though but can't justify just cause riding there for a week not gonna get a board for it. ok guess i will stick with this
 
#7 · (Edited)
tilt the board up on its edge until the toes hit the carpet. It probably takes alot more of an angle then you think. My setup has some over hang (looks like it maybe less than yours) but for mine to come close to dragging on edge I'm probably eating snow in a second anyway.

I have a 154 proto and 11s fwiw.
 
#14 ·
tilt the board up on its edge until the toes hit the carpet. It probably takes alot more of an angle then you think. My setup has some over hang (looks like it maybe less than yours) but for mine to come close to dragging on edge I'm probably eating snow in a second anyway.

I have a 154 proto and 11s fwiw.
But when you're carving the board flexes in the middle, causing the boots to be closer to the ground then just tilting the board up on carpet.
 
#9 ·
FWIW, I have about that much overhang on my 166w and no real problems to speak of. But I don't carve like those crazy Russians do either. Also, we don't get much powder-type snow here in Michigan.
 
#10 ·
Remember the drag starts with your worst foot, looking at your left foot their (assuming your goofy) as angle looks less than the right, the left foot toe overhang is pretty large. Also doesn't need to be pow, but also soft spring snow has the same effect, which I'm not sure how long you get on the east coast? but before I knew enough and moved to wide boards about 12 years ago, I had terrible toe grab in spring slush, which made for a crappy time riding.

Certainly the comments above are correct, in that you won't feel any problems without some fairly serious lean on groomers, but I just wanted to point out the above scenarios where foot overhang does come into play, it does get annoying.
Personally now I have been on wide boards for over 12 years, I don't find any disadvantage at all,if anything I prefer the stability, theres never been an occasion where I needed faster edge to edge.
I guess what I'm saying is, I think you should consider the negatives of both scenarios, basing the decision on your own previous experience. ie. If its narrower than you're used to, with more toe overhang, with the amount your showing, I think there will be days where it will come into play vs HDX where you will not have an issue. But if you have never had a wide board and you like making smaller snake turns, then you will find it a little mellower in turn transition.
 
#11 ·
I've ridden my proto hdx 160 twice now. I wear a size 12. And I'm still a relatively new snowboarder, so that may be my problem with transitioning. I do feel like it takes more effort than it should though.

Can someone just convince me that I need to get better and a non-wide board wouldn't work that well for my boots? :eek:

I've snowboarded probably 10 times over the last ten years. But I just moved to colorado so I will be going much more often now.
 
#15 ·
Keep riding dude ! 10 times in 10 years is nothing. You just need to get out and ride, and sure it will come together for you.
Saying that, the 160 is 265mm waist which is truely wide, and 160 is a decent amount of board to steer for a new rider. What do you weigh? and what terrain are you riding? Potentially if you able to get away with a shorter board, which will also have narrow w.w, both of these would make the board more manoeuvrable for you, and easier to learn on.
Probably not worth just dropping to the 158 but if you were <175lbs, and hitting moderate speed groomers and checking out the park, the 155 HDX maybe a good option to help your turns.
 
#28 ·
If your rocking size 11.5 boots you should be on a wide board even with a duck stance. Check out the Proto HD X you'll be stoked!
No, no and no. There is no "definitely" in this situation.

As to the remarks on drag in powder, an extra cm under foot is not going to make that much of a difference in drag in the deep stuff. Maybe a bit more float, but digging a deep carve in deep snow, your gonna have "toe drag" no matter what, unless you are riding a canoe down the mountain.
 
#19 ·
Its very hard to tell from those photos, also a key factor here is your boot.

Now there are very low profile boots on the market that I am pretty sure would allow you to squeeze into a regular proto.

What year and model are those 11.5 salomons?

If they are not low profile you could solve the issue with a new pair of boots.

As others have said if you can ride the regular it will be much better edge to edge which is big IMO.

I run size 11s with a reduced footprint (Burton rulers) and they fit fine no drag at all on my 157 proto HD.

I am pretty sure the 11.5 of any boot with reduced footprint will work for anything except alpine style carving which lets be honest we are not doing on this deck.
 
#46 ·
dont know what happened there it cut my post


so from what I've been reading...

wide (x) - less responsive very minimal drag
hd - responsive but drag(...) (especially in pow, (which is rarely in this part of the country))

but it depends i think on the rider, proto claims that it has a very smooth edge to edge transition...

honestly the reason i needed a new board was coz `responsiveness`, i was riding a 163 cobra x and needed something more `responsive` also at that length (Especially with the cobra's stiffness) freeriding was out the window.
I couldn't make my mind up riding once last week at mount snow with my new hd because they didn't have any blacks open only greens and some blues, and one park.
I didn't experience any draggin but cause i wasn't on any steep terrain so didn't do much carving, no alpine carver here but i still like to do it when i can espeically if its groomed. On another point, yes not much pow days here but seems like i am going to have problems with that during turns, guess even wide board will cause a drag a bit but minimizing would be good.

I have till tomorrow to exchange or not, fudge this is so hard, (only it's because it's $550 :) )
 
#55 ·
Forget all that fuckin' bullshit, 5 pages of fuckin' whining.

Toe or heel drag is way worse than the performance of a wide deck.

It's pretty fuckin' simple. Here's how it works.

You can compensate for any little loss of `responsiveness` lost with a wider board. Really it ain't that much.

You are absolutely fucked, when you crank a big carve & when you are @ the deepest part of the carve, your toes dig in.

You eat shit, a nice big helping.

Those are your options.


TT
 
#62 ·
i can settle this.

i just went to the store and picked up a proto HD we got every thing sized up. i am on the regular HD with size 9.5 boots and med bindings. he said if i was a 10.5 or higher go worth large bindings and consider the HDX wider version. he mentioned that once you have a 10.5 or higher the loss of responsiveness will be fairly minimal and it would be a safer bet to get the HDX (so you do not catch a toe or heal). this all came from a Never summer rep.

on another note the board is dank!!!!

i am putting the blue and green burton geneses binding on it and some black and blue Ride double boa lasso boots. what do you guys think should i go with those boots and bindings?
 
#63 ·
ladies and gents, friends and ... lol

allow me to update this thread. After riding it 1.5 days on this board, I have actually decided to keep the 157 regular but I made a huge mistake!

I screw one of my binding to the 2 wrong holes. During that half day on the mountain, at some point I was getting of from the lift and felt my right foot was loose, I was like wtf, I stopped and unscrew the binding I was like shit/duck/darn..., brand new board, I messed up two holes on it. Probably after all day riding, it somehow forced the screws and chipped some of the wood around it. I was really bummed by it, was really really upset. After this I left the board in my car and keep riding with my other board.

long story short, I went to store and asked If I could get the wide version, and they said it's fine!

I currently have the hdx 158.

my first impressions that, I really really wish it is 26.0 or 25.9

25.3 (regular) vs 26.4 (wide) I mean it could've been 25.9 or 26.0. this is probably ultra wide
 
#65 ·
man honestly i can't say i did much, that's why i was going to keep it, but then that thing happened, just to get a brand new board again I returned, guess it was fine.
 
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