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Old 01-18-2014, 09:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy First time using a rocker board

So I purchased a Solomon 2013 Pulse 157 (Wide Board). Its a flat rocker board with a flex rating of about 3 out of 10 supposed to be beginner to intermediate all mountain board . Just to start out I come from a skateboarding background where I was sponsored for a little while. The first time I went up I had no problems getting up riding etc went about 10 times or so got better each time tried out a lot of different boards probably at the time traditional cambers. So after about 3 years of not going up I decide to get back into it, I buy all the gear and this board. Right off the bat I couldn't even stand up. I was really expecting just to get up and go like the other times I've went. It took me about 10 mins to figure out how to get up on this board. There is no edge to dig into! It's like you almost have to jump into it like a surf board. So I kind of figure that out get going down the hill and it feels like I'm on Ice Skates or something I could not control it at all. Embarrassing to say the least, coming from my background. During the last end of my run I go to slow down with my heal edge and the board just shoots from under me and I land on my tail bone. Not to mention pulling my rotator cuff from just trying to get up to get going down the hill! It felt very sketchy going on the groomers and at high speeds very squirrely. Am I just not getting these boards>
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I had the same trouble a couple years ago when I purchased my Burton V-Rocker.. it was very sketchy at first. I did finally learn how to ride it pretty decently but never felt the control I wanted to feel. Now someone might scold me for saying this and I could be wrong. But for me the rocker was not the right board for high speed control and stability.. a rocker has less edge in the snow. Great for a forgiving ride and not catching edges but the less edge in the snow the less control you will have. If you do learn to ride it you will probably have a blast with it though.
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Funny you mention that, I went up today with a new setup GNU Carbon Credit also a Rocker. It wasn't as extreme of an experience as you but I noticed some differences in handling the board as well. It's certainly more floaty and high speed does feel like a bit of a different animal.

I had to go back to the basics for the first half of the day. It was weird, I managed to get back to where I was with my goofy riding. I was hopeful of even figuring out how to do butters with how the morning went. But I could not get to the point of riding switch today like I did on my old board. I ended up just enjoying the rest of the afternoon taking the express to the top and riding normally only no switch.

I'm probably not good at describing this but it felt like there was less effort required to do the same turns compared to my old board. Starting out I'd find myself body surfing instead of pressing an edge into the ground. Later on I figured out I didn't have to lean so far into it to get the board to stop like I had to do on my other board.
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It was definitely an experience. I did notice it's waay sensitive compared to the other boards I've ridden with normal camber. You kind have to baby it, the problem was I used to having to throw my body into it and it would spin around real fast. By the time I figured that out I was pretty much hurt. The other thing is I think my back foot was set to far apart making it harder to control. I am going to go back to a regular camber board like the Capital NAS, so I don't waste more time basically having to learn again. It's going to be a short season where I'm at. I'm might get a hybrid later on though. Did you have a problem just getting up? I couldn't believe it, I couldn't even get an edge in to get stable, in order to get up. It just kept sliding.

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Old 01-19-2014, 12:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i think its just you, riding these new snowboards is really not THAT different from riding a camber board. You did spend three years not riding after only riding a little bit. suck up your pride and spend 60 bucks on a lesson before spending another 400 on a board.
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Well, I've never had an issue with the other 4-5 boards I've used with no lessons. I just don't like the feel of it. I like a stiffer board ,and a board that if I move half an inch it doesn't get completely out of control. It's almost like walking on egg shells. That board will be a board towards the end of the season I will spend some time trying to learn that style of it. But in the mean time I want to ride with confidence, and enjoy the season that basically started for us here.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Everyone is different, and whatever you are experiencing is giving you that much problem you need to change boards or change technique is all I'm saying.

From my experience riding all rocker noodles to stiff as hell camber boards and never experiencing anything near what you are describing, leads me to believe that in 3 years you lost the muscle memory for snowboarding or had poor technique to begin with.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:45 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I've tried many shapes (pure rocker, CRC, V, RCR, RFR) and indeed didn't like some of them for being not gripping or stable enough (mostly rocker or small CRC) for carving or flatbasing. So the general answer to your question: yes, rocker suck for some, I don't like them and prefer trad. camber, RCR or RFR. BUT...

FWIW, Salomon rates the Pulse as super flat hybrid camber. Thus talking about it as "rocker" is somehow misleading. By saying "rocker", I assume a rocker or rocker hybrid (= CRC=rocker between feet), which should not be the case with your board. Would be interesting to see the profile of your board; if it has a detectable microcamber or if it's flat as flat can be. However, I'd assume, it doesn't have a rocker between the feet. This could help to get an overview: http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...g-between.html

I don't know how the Pulse rides, so can't say if the problem is the board or you. However, 10d experiece combined with 3y off equals to zero IMO. I had app 50d and app. 5y hiatus and the first days were like beginning from scratch. Being a scateboard pro doesn't make you a snowboard pro... same same but different. The difference from having had a better experience 3y ago could as well arise from different snow conditions (or false memory). I you absolutely want to blame the board, rent one with more camber and check, if it's better.

And a last point... I feel very uneasy reading about "high speed" and total lack of control in the same paragraph... take a lesson or at least take it easy and learn, where this specific board can be pushed and where not and ride accordingly.
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Everyone is different, and whatever you are experiencing is giving you that much problem you need to change boards or change technique is all I'm saying.

From my experience riding all rocker noodles to stiff as hell camber boards and never experiencing anything near what you are describing, leads me to believe that in 3 years you lost the muscle memory for snowboarding or had poor technique to begin with.
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It's easy to switch out your equipment, it's a bit harder to man up and say to yourself "I don't know, maybe I need help"
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Old 01-19-2014, 11:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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DarkDrive: I did not have trouble getting up on the board, I was just fine getting on and off the lifts. My balance standing still on the edge was a little off but I blame my not boarding for 9 months. If I didn't ride for 3 years I'd feel like I do when I sit infront of the piano, fustrated as hell. I remember what I use to play but I can't do it anymore. That's not to say it doesn't come back faster then if I hadn't learned it before but it does take time. I've almost always had private piano lessons when I've been serious about returning.

Now if only I could find a good snowboarding instructor, for now I've been watching videos like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCToC_MN2Wc

Neni: Thanks for posting that link to the board profile post, some how totaly missed that sticky. Your point about false memory is interesting, I had an ah there it is moment once I succeeded on my toe edge again yesterday morning.
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