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Anticrobotic 02-27-2014 08:05 AM

New board rant (Rossi Nitro Burton Lib Capita)
 
Here we go again...I’m gonna rant about boards, but the difference is I’ve tried a few ones this time. I’ll comment on boards I’ve tried and then discuss boards I’m considering. As usual it’s going to be way too long-winded. Please bear with me, and please give me feedback.


First, about me:

Experience/Level: 17 days all in all, of which 5 have been under supervision of a professional instructor in Val Thorens. I’d say I’m kind of sniffin’ Intermediate in the rear. I’m linking turns, Greens and Blues are no problem, some Reds are ok, moguls are giving me a really hard time. I can do tail and nose presses and I’m learning how to carve, butter and do 180s.
Preference: All-Mtn I suppose. I like to play on and off the groomers, hitting (very) small jumps and what little pow I can find whenever I can. Park is meh, jib is feh.
Height: 187 cm (6’2”) - not that it matters much, but...
Weight: 82-85 kg (180-185 lbs.) in the nude, about 200 lbs. when all geared up. Protection, y0.
Boot: Nitro Team TLS 2013 size 44/290/11, no shrinkage tech
Bindings: Burton Cartel Re:Flex 2013 size L
Board: Burton Blunt 2012 159mw
Angles: Still experimenting...


Boards tried so far:

Burton Blunt 2012 159mw (waist 260 mm)
True Twin, V-rocker profile, soft flex (Burton 3/10). Used with my Cartels.
This is the board I own and it’s really nothing special. It’s slow, it “carves” like so-so and the edge hold is so-so.
One thing I really dislike about it is that it’s very unstable when flat basing, which is due to the V-rocker profile I suppose. I have to really push my knees out hard to make it even semi-stable.
There are a few areas where I do feel this board is good however. One is landing jumps because it’s so forgiving. Another is presses and butters. And yet another one is that it’s very good at handling very uneven terrain at slower speeds because it just “flows with it”, so to speak.

Rossignol Trick Stick 2012 158 (waist 252 mm)
True Twin, AmpTek AutoTurn = CR profile, 20% camber & 80% rocker, soft flex (Rossi 4/10). Used with shitty Rossi bindings.
Only took it for a Blue lap. Felt surprisingly alike my Blunt despite the different camber profile and regular width. Nothing special at all, pretty lame board. Don’t think I tried flat basing this one.

Nitro Team Gullwing 2013 159w (waist 266 mm)
Directional Twin, Gullwing = RC profile, mid flex (Nitro 7/10). Used with shitty Rossi bindings and better Raidens.
Boom! This board blew me away. It was crazy fast (from my perspective), felt incredibly much more stable than my Blunt, was so easy to just flat base and go, and also easy to press. On flats I could just crouch all the way down and trail my hand in the snow, and it would still be completely stable. At the same time it could be quite unforgiving and would punish me. Especially on toeside turns it would catch an edge if I wasn’t on my game - which is a good thing...as long as it’s not the end of the day and you’re dead tired...

LibTech Skate Banana 2013 159w (waist 265 mm)
True Twin, C2 (C2 BTX?) = Rocker with a mellow camber outside, mid flex (LibTech 6/10). Used with Union Flite bindings.
Only tried this on two blue runs, but after hearing so much about it the experience was just one big meh. Felt more or less like my Blunt, only stiffer and a little faster. It was surprisingly hard to press. Conditions were pristine, fresh morning curduoy so I didn’t really have a chance to evaluate Magnetraction; can’t say I felt it at all. Meh.

Rossignol Taipan 2014 160 (waist 251 mm)
Directional Twin, AmpTek All Mountain = CR, 40% camber & 60% rocker, soft flex (Rossi 5/10). Used with shitty Rossi bindings.
After riding the Team GW this board disappointed me a little. It just felt a little boring to me; a little too soft, not much spring out of turns, not stable when flat basing… I mean it was ok, just...boring. One important thing to note is that I’m almost positive I got heel drag on this board during carving practice. I don’t think I’ve experienced that with any other board I’ve tried.

Rossignol Angus 2013 162mw (waist 261 mm)
True Twin, AmpTek All Mountain = CR, 40% camber & 60% rocker, mid flex (Rossi 7/10). Used with Rome? (390 Boss or Targa?) bindings. I think.
The first thing that really caught my attention with this board was that it felt so...thick? I just flelt like there was so much board between my feet and the snow. Is this what people call “dampness”?
I was mentally prepared that this board would be too much for me to handle, but I have to say I liked it. I only took it for two blue runs and I know that isn’t really its right element. I definitely noticed it was a bigger and stiffer board and I had to work it a little more, but I never felt out of control.
Something that surprised me a little was that it felt somewhat unstable when flatbasing, but the Advanced rider that I borrowed the board from said it was because the snow was very heavy and wet that day.


Now considering the following boards:
  1. So after all this I’m considering whether I should buy a Nitro Team Gullwing 159/159W/162 (or something very similar to it - no, I will not buy an NS board). But I’m not sure about the width. The 159w is VERY wide, but the regular (which I haven’t tried) seems a little narrow (252 waist). Perhaps I could go with the 162 regular (254 waist)? My experience with the heel drag on the Taipan makes me hesitant about narrow waisted boards, especially with my Cartels that leave more heel overhang. Will have to check the width at the inserts carefully…
  2. Or, I’m thinking that pehaps I should go for a One MagTek 159, or maybe even a 163. It’s a little wider (255/258 mm waist) than the narrowest boards I’ve tried while not being extremely wide like the Team. It’s supposed to be about as stiff as the Angus, and has the added benefits of Magnetraction and being directional. I’m thinking that since I could handle the Angus 162W I should be able to handle a One 159, yea? I can get it for 300€ which, being Europe, is a steal. But it’s One ugly-ass board...
  3. And then we have dream that I still haven’t given up on, which is to go all the way to the other end of the spectrum to a Capita Charlie Slasher 164. Still want the 2013 and it’s sold out everywhere, but the Baldface limited edition still exists and it has an ABS wall in the middle for future splitboardifying. Catch is, I’ll have to order it for 360$ + 100$ transatlantic shipment + customs. I shouldn’t. But I already know I love pow and will love it even more in the future. I’m thinking I could hold off the All Mountain purchase and keep developing until the next season, and buy this one in the meantime while I still have the chance.

Slap me. Or just say what you think of all this.

Anticrobotic 02-28-2014 02:08 PM

I guess I overdid it this time.

linvillegorge 02-28-2014 02:18 PM

You've only ridden 17 days total and you've been on all of those boards?

Good lord man, just pick something and roll with it. 17 days in, you really don't even have much of a feel on what kind of rider you'll eventually evolve into. I thought I was gonna be a park rider when I first got into this game. These days, I'm pretty much a dedicated freerider. I couldn't even tell you the last man made feature I hit.

Booo! 02-28-2014 02:41 PM

Thanks for sharing! But using different bindings and/or angles when comparing boards makes me go "hmmm..."

tdn 02-28-2014 02:56 PM

I'm with Linvillegorge.

Just ride.

Stick with something all mountain for a while and have fun pushing it and yourself.

Anticrobotic 03-01-2014 06:53 PM

Heh. I count this as getting slapped. Buuut...

Quote:

Originally Posted by linvillegorge (Post 1579170)
Good lord man, just pick something and roll with it. 17 days in, you really don't even have much of a feel on what kind of rider you'll eventually evolve into. I thought I was gonna be a park rider when I first got into this game. These days, I'm pretty much a dedicated freerider. I couldn't even tell you the last man made feature I hit.

I've been reading too much and needed to try a few boards out to clear up a few things. I can tell you this much: I'm pushing 40. There's no way in hell I'll become a dedicated park rider. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booo! (Post 1579210)
Thanks for sharing! But using different bindings and/or angles when comparing boards makes me go "hmmm..."

Similar angles on most boards, usually +15/-12. Almost all of the experimenting has been with the Blunt.

This wasn't meant as a review - I'm fully aware I'm not experienced enough for that, and even if I did, I would have put it in the Reviews section - but more as a way of clearing my thoughts and trying to describe what I felt with the different boards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdn (Post 1579242)
I'm with Linvillegorge.

Just ride.

Stick with something all mountain for a while and have fun pushing it and yourself.

I totally agree. But I don't have an all mtn board, hence this thread. I have a board, the Blunt. But one thing that's become clear to me after trying the Team GW is that my own board isn't optimal. I could get the Team but I'm unsure about the width. I could get the One but I'm afraid it'll feel to similar to the Taipan, or too damp(?) like the big Angus. Or, I could stick with the Blunt and try to evolve on that one, and get the lim. CS, which at this point is just plain stupid, but I'd see it as a future investment before it disappears. That's what this thread is about.


One specific question: The "thickness" that I felt with the big Angus, is this what's generally referred to as "dampness"? Just trying to learn and understand...

ShredLife 03-01-2014 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anticrobotic (Post 1575858)
Here we go again...Iím gonna rant about boards, but the difference is Iíve tried a few ones this time. Iíll comment on boards Iíve tried and then discuss boards Iím considering. As usual itís going to be way too long-winded. Please bear with me, and please give me feedback.


First, about me:

Experience/Level: 17 days all in all,

stopped reading here.


just go snowboarding.

andrewdod 03-01-2014 07:32 PM

if you can get your hands on a gullwing. pull it out of the sleeve mount some bindings on it, see if you can make a standard width work with your angles and boots. If not buy the wide version... A good shop should let you do this... afterall they are trying to make a sale, and a rather significant one at that... A wide board can be a little tougher to turn at first but you will get used to it, and you have size 11 boots so your feet are right on that cusp of needing a wide and not... Maybe you can get some boots with shrinktech to help you out if you think the wide is absolutely way to wide. I would go with the Nitro, because that is what you absolutely liked the most, i wouldnt wanna risk not getting the right one if i were you.

Anticrobotic 03-02-2014 04:11 PM

I guess I'll just...get myself a pair of better mittens...

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewdod (Post 1581689)
if you can get your hands on a gullwing. pull it out of the sleeve mount some bindings on it, see if you can make a standard width work with your angles and boots. If not buy the wide version... A good shop should let you do this... afterall they are trying to make a sale, and a rather significant one at that... A wide board can be a little tougher to turn at first but you will get used to it, and you have size 11 boots so your feet are right on that cusp of needing a wide and not... Maybe you can get some boots with shrinktech to help you out if you think the wide is absolutely way to wide. I would go with the Nitro, because that is what you absolutely liked the most, i wouldnt wanna risk not getting the right one if i were you.

Thanks.

Donutz 03-02-2014 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anticrobotic (Post 1581625)
This wasn't meant as a review - I'm fully aware I'm not experienced enough for that, and even if I did, I would have put it in the Reviews section - but more as a way of clearing my thoughts and trying to describe what I felt with the different boards.

Y'know, you might want to consider using the Blog section for doing that. You're in a unique position in that you are just starting out. Put down your thoughts, expectations, etc etc etc and you can go back and review your progress later and maybe even laugh at yourself.

I've been blogging for 3-4 years now. I don't really care if no-one reads them but me, coz they're really for my own use. But it might actually help other noobs to see what someone else goes through.


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