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Old 08-14-2014, 07:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm posting from New Zealand - trying to decide on a new board and i have these 2 options (both are from last season and end of stock so on sale). A proto hdx 158, or a legacy 163 - bit of a size difference i know.

I'm 6'2 and about 185lbs with Us 12 boots. I ride everything from park to groomers to pow and am wanting a new all mountain board (although i do already have a super soft jib board). I'm going to Gulmarg (India) this summer so will be riding some serious deep stuff, but I want a board that will handle every day New Zealand conditions. Im hoping to keep it for the next couple of seasons so im trying to decide whether to favour NZ's mountains (which the proto would suit more im thinking) or the legacy which would be great in the deep stuff but maybe not so good otherwise.

The main thing im unsure about is the size. would a 163 legacy feel really big and stiff for me? Or would a proto hdx be too small in the powder. And how much can you downsize on a proto due to the longer effective edge/blunted nose and tail. Something in between would be ideal but I'm limited to these 2 boards/sizes and I'm pretty set on one of them.

Any info would be much appreciated

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Old 08-14-2014, 07:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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why choose? Just buy both, and be happy
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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OK,..If I am just "Dead Wrong" on this, someone please correct me,… But it looks like the Legacy is does NOT have the blunted tips like the Proto does!

That being the case, you should check the effective edge on both boards. The true difference in length may not be as extreme as you think. The 163 will definitely be longer, just maybe not so much longer as you fear!

I have a 2011/12 Proto 157. I thought it would be a tad too short for me. The friend I bought it from pointed out that the blunted tips shortened the overall board length. Said It actually rode more like a 159, which I already had! I have no complaints about the board. It's my "go to" ride so far!

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Old 08-14-2014, 09:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, the proto is fine in terms of length. I'm heavier than you and riding the same size board. But it is a centered board (or very slight setback - can't remember) so DNK about powder -- didn't really get a chance to test that last year.

Also, the proto is a little questionable at speed. I like my heritage much more for open-run bombing. I've never tried a legacy.
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I live the in the US midwest, but spend a week or two out west each year and always find myself in the same dilemma.

I'm just about your size (6ft 180lbs) and have rode both a 160 Proto and 161 SL, although I've never had either in real deep stuff.

To answer your specific questions: I don't think the Proto is so small that it will give you major problems in the pow, but it obviously won't have the float of a larger Legacy. I also don't think the Legacy will feel overly big and stiff for all mt riding (I could still easily butter a 161) but it will be less than ideal in the park due to it's length.

My opinion: If you're looking for a quiver killer that will handle the occasional pow day then get the Proto. If you're doing an extended trip in India and expect to regularly ride deep pow then spend the money on a pow stick, not a Legacy. It's a solid board but it's not exactly a big mountain/pow killer and at 163 it will really limit what you can do in the park.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Hmm, effective edge of the proto is 1250mm compared to the legacy which is 1300mm so it seems there really is 5cm difference.

Also read that the proto softens up quite a bit once broken in - c. A 160 proto or 161 legacy would be ideal! I'll be doing 3 - 4 weeks in Gulmarg but aside from that it would be a quiver killer.

Cheers for the advice!
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:11 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Sounds like the Legacy is your pick - it is more versatile (so you have the quiver killer angle covered), has much more edge and big mountain ability, and better float in powder.
Just that 163w would be a lot of board in the park...
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So, I'm a similar size to you - 5'11, 180 lbs, US12 boot, although I wear Burton Rulers which have footprint reduction so more like a US11.

Anyways, I've been down in Wanaka for the last couple weeks, have ridden my NS Proto 157 in a bunch of conditions. We had one 20cm pow day at Cardrona, my impression was that the Proto could handle pow, although you do have to work for it. It's a great all around board but I'm not sure it's gonna be the best option if you're hitting deep pow on a daily basis.

And on a (slightly) related note... at Cardrona a ton of the rental gear is NS! I've seen people with Proto, Legacy, and SL rental boards. Sure is a lot more flash than some of the rental gears I learned to ride on.
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I'm about 90kg and rode my 157 Proto HD in deliciously deep conditions at Jackson for about a month straight. I'm certainly on the upper end of the weight range for that size proto.

As donutz mentioned, you do have to work for it a bit sometimes. But, there's not reason why you can't set it back when things get deeper, I do and it's completely fine. It's not a dedicated pow board but it can handle it well, if you're only doing the one trip to Gulmarg then spending most of your time in NZ then I'd go for the Proto over the legacy. At 158cm (and being the HDX) I think that'd be plenty of board for your weight.

It's a very versatile board and heaps of fun all over the mountain. Have fun in Gulmarg dude, I've got a few mates that have been there and it's very high on my list of places to hit.
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