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Old 10-27-2009, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Harddrive vs. Flash vs. mini DV

What do you guys that film use most often and why? It's getting hard to find mini DV cams around my area, I'm assuming because they're trying to make EVERYTHING digital and self-contained these days. Is it easier to edit harddrive footage or flash? I was talking to a guy at the Sony Store and he was all confused about different medias and formats and editting software.
I'm personally looking at the Canon Vixia HG21 which is a harddrive HD camcorder. Has anyone had experience with that and editing on a Mac using FCP 5?
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Harddroive and flash is both digital files either way so it don't matter but flash is probably more durable and IMO files beat tape any day of the week

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go with HDD over flash every time

but DV is reliable, proven, and extremely easy to work with... if you don't mind DV tapes
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its just more work to transfer your footage from DV tapes now. HDD and flash will be the same workflow - HDD will probably be a lot cheeper than flash. You're going to want many gigs, especially for shooting HD footage. Flash memory just gets really expensive.
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I was talking to a guy at the Sony Store and he was all confused about different medias and formats and editting software.
Then that guy's an idiot.

I'm assuming you're going to be using this for filming while boarding as much as anything else, including all the shocks and abuse that comes with it.

Flash is the best simply because it has no moving parts. Jump, slam down, shake the shit out of it, flash can take it.

A HDD is a disc that spins, they can skip, and if you happen to jar it too hard while it's reading or writing, you can end up physically dragging the head across the disk and kiss your entire drive goodbye.

A miniDV is a cassette that records in digital format. I'm not too familiar with this, so I'm not going to comment other than to say it too has moving parts.

Cost per GB, however, Flash is probably the most expensive, although the prices of it have been dropping through the floor for the past few years.
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MiniDV is probably the best bet in terms of reliability and value. Flash is the best option but it is very expensive given that you'll probably need a significantly sizable flash card when shooting in HD. Hard drives are convenient, but as Munky stated, it can be damaged rather easily.

If going the miniDV route, make sure there is some form of high speed data transfer. Some machines transfer the footage at a rate of 1:1, so if you have hours of footage to edit, the transfer alone would make you want to kill yourself
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as far as editing goes with HD camcoderd digital files, it can be a pain depending...

I have a Canon HF10 HD camcodrer with harddrive and flash card, both record in a AVCHD format. Problem is when you go to export this and edit the footage. I have yet to find a software tool that can edit in native format (AVCHD) for under $1000, which is more than my camera. If you convert AVCHD to other format, say Mac's format, your files will grow by x10, so a 20GB file took up 200GB on my computer

I am hoping more editing tools pick up this format soon.
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Btw this thread is a catagory placement FAIL
alright bud, where do you want it? the buy/sell section? what about the tricks and tips?



So, I was leaning away from the miniDV to start, solely based on the fact that I'd have to buy tapes, and you guys knocked it out of my mind. I'm leaning more towards the harddrive because it's cheaper, I don't have to buy memory cards, and after spending all that money, I'm not going to abuse the shit out of it.

Any comments on final cut pro 5 HD compatibility with Canon Vixia HG20 or 21?
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