So this past season I used a Yes PYL with Diodes and a Flow Era with Cartels. Whilst I loved the Era on the tiny indoor slope that constitutes my local hill when on a proper mountain I didn't enjoy it as much and it only saw one day. I also decided that as I often have to fly that 2 boards + 1 bindings and boots is the only practical option. I love the Cartels but not on the PYL so I'm keeping the Diodes and will be using Malamutes.
I'm looking to replace the Era with something that rides closer to the PYL on firm snow and will work with my diodes:
Capita DOA
Yes Greats
Arbor Westmark Camber
Rossi Jibsaw
Except for the Greats, they are all on the softer side, aren't they? If you want a responsive twin, NS Ripsaw is probably one of the best of the CRC profiles.
But since you said rides close to PYL, which is camber, The Greats is probably the winner for you.
Nope it's not too unforgiving.
And it's the only board I've ever ridden switch
And been able to dynamically carve on.
Last year I was just fucking around riding switch & goofin' around.
All of the sudden I felt it, never felt it before riding switch on any other board.
If you've ever felt it, you know what I'm talking about.
It's an unmistakable feeling.
I knew exactly what had just happened, even though it happened by accident.
For some reason I've never tried to dynamically carve, whist riding switch.
Just assumed I wouldn't be able too, so why bother tryin'
Well after that fraction of a second, I figured I better actually try.
Spent the rest of the day giggling to myself, at the new skill I acquired.
FWIW Ripsaw was supposed to have been mellowed a bit. I ride the first year model but didn't find it overbearing. Yes it carves switch really really well!
If that's your concern, NS Type Two could be just the thing. If you don't mind paying full price.
Still think the Greats is mid-stiff-to-stiff while DOA probably mid-to-soft. Haven't ridden last year models so take that with a grain of salt.
I've only hand flexed all of the 2017 models listed, I'd put them in stiffest to softest;
Greats
gap
DOA
Jibsaw
gap
Westmark
The Greats is still pretty stiff, DOA and Jibsaw pretty much bang on medium, maybe a touch above, westmark felt like it bordered on soft.
Depends really what you want in terms of response? I've been loving my Endeavor Cobain which I find super responsive, tight sidecut and maneuverable torsional stiffness make it super agile and fun but it's stiff enough tip to tail to hold up to anything I throw at at. That's with Cartels and Insanos.
Think I can get '15 Greats for a decent discount. My PYL is 161 and was thinking of going down to 156 for the twin - another reason going to the stiffer side.
Yeah I'm pretty sure it was. The whole debacle has made me doubt YES a bit. '16 model only though I think? I'm looking at '15 or '17. Shame as the '16 graphic is sick and the best of the 3.
I had a Walsh Seeker 158, bought it for $20 bucks as a rock board.
It was pretty beat up, big cracks on the topsheet, big chunks of topsheet missing in between the bindings.
Base had multiple core shots that had been repaired very poorly.
Despite all that, it fuckin' ripped.
I ended up riding it a tonne.
The setback problem only affected the 156 and 158 models on the 2016 Greats. I have the 154 and it is perfect. The 152 is as well. That is if you are willing to size down again from 156 to 154... The other boards work well, if you want a perfect twin stance you just have to move the front foot forward.
Greats should definitely be an option and I have been assured that the insert issue will not continue into 2017. I'm not sure what were referencing if people are saying the Jibsaw isn't stiff, last I rode one it was at least as stiff as the Greats. If it does concern you, they made the Jibsaw HD now. It's what their team rides as a slope deck. Also look at the Ride Burnout, Machete GT, or even the Helix. And if you really wanna get manly with your deck, Flow Blackout. If you wanna get manly with rocker, Flow Rush.
Smokin awesymmetrical may be worth a look too. I can't compare it to the other boards you mentioned because I haven't ridden them but I would say it is pretty responsive. It is softer than some of my other boards but not a park noodle.
Then again, 2017 Yes Greats is UNINC.
That alone is pretty cool.
I love my jibsaw. It's a lot stiffer than some non-stiff boards I've ridden. From what I understand, the longer the board the stiffer it is (with jibsaw anyway). Not sure why they do it that way but that info popped up repeatedly as I was researching it, so I got the longest one they had )159 at the time).
A Rome Mod should be in consideration too. I rode a cambered 156 for most of spring 2015 and it was stupid fun. Pop for days, carves like a beast and probably the lightest board I've ever ridden.
I mistakenly sold it last winter to fund my Derby Snake (which is also stupid fun, but I didn't need to sell the Mod to get it). To fix my mistake, a 159 Rockered Mod showed up at my door this past Saturday. I'm going to go ride Timberline with it on Friday.
That's the same as the '16 review? Someone posted here that they've changed the sidecuts and I'm pretty sure that they'd added a carbon stringer to the heal edge for this year?
So I'm digging this one back up as the Lago Double Barrel has caught my eye. Long shot obviously but can anyone compare the stiffness to the Greats? They seem pretty similar on paper? I'd have to get it shipped from the States but it's discounted and it'd be way cool to own a deck not available in Europe.
I didn't personally ride the Lago, but was riding with a guy on one at Jackson Hole MR and he was ripping on it. Banked runs, park, pipe, everything, etc. He said it was the first camber twin he'd been on in several years (100+ days a season type guy) and he was stoked on it. I did handflex a new one, and imo it felt closer to the greats or ripsaw in terms of flex, and had a nice rebound (pop). The factory they're made at is good too, imo.
Not a Lago hype guy, but if I were in the market for a twin camber, I could see popping on one.
Get on the website, they're on sale. Basically like an older Shifty. A little stiffer than a Whiteout. Maybe a tad softer in the tips compared to a Greats. Get one, they're so good.
So just an update on this. Scotty got back to me and I've ordered a 55 DB. He's been a pleasure to deal with so far and I can't wait for it to arrive. Pics to follow.
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