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Hard decision: Idiom, Vapor, Custom

Weight: 150 lbs ( 67 kg)
Boot size: 7.5 (40 eur)
Riding style: All mountain. With friends: mostly carving and some off-pist. With my children: carving and park (but I am not a big hopper. no rails at all. to old for that.
Age: My children are 17, 15 and 11. Say no more
budget: $500-600
Your location of riding:
~5 days / year in Trysil (Norway) 650 meter tallest drop height
~10 - 20 days at smaller hills
this year one week in Val d'IsŤre

I have been snowboarding for the last 10 year, increasingly more the last 4. Most of the time my board has been a X Level EHF 145 cm, which I feel I can handle everywhere except in pow - the board is to short. It is not that stable when it goes really fast. This year I bought a Burton Blunt 151 cm with custom bindings. I didn't feel that much difference to the X Level and my middle kid liked it so he got it instead.

Now to my question and the lineup. I have found the following boards (all Burton):
- Idiom with Cartel bindings. Year 2007. Length 156 cm. price: 5000 SEK ($700)
- Vapor with Sims. 2007. 159 cm. 4000 SEK ($560).
- X 8 with matching ics bindings. 155 cm. 4000 SEK ($560).
- Custom without bindings. 158 cm. 4000 SEK ($560) for the board.
- Custom X with Cartel ics bindings. 4500 SEK ($630).

All are used board in good shape. 4 All-mountain and one freestyle board.
As you can see theese baords are signifacant longer than my current. I believe that I need a longer board for my Val d'IsŤre trip and I think I need a longer board for carving at home.
With my kids I can still use my old board in the park.

Which one should i pick?
Is 156-159 cm to long boards for me?
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None of the above ...if you're in Europe...you should look into a Bataleon...I thought Bataleon is pretty popular over there?
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None of the above ...if you're in Europe...you should look into a Bataleon...I thought Bataleon is pretty popular over there?
Perhaps they are popular in other parts of europe, but in Sweden it is hard to find Bataleon. At least at the right price. Most popular (at shops like e-bay) is Burton boards.
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Isn't Nitro popular over there?

Burton is overpriced.....

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Of what you have listed I would pick either of the Custom boards.

I'm going to ignore price because I learned a long time ago that regardless of the price its how you personally feel that is going to make the world of difference.
If you can't afford a 50-100 buffer in either direction on this purchase then you might want to question if you really need a new board this season.

Custom without bindings. 158 cm. 4000 SEK ($560) for the board.
Custom X with Cartel ics bindings. 4500 SEK ($630).

The normal custom is going to be a great all-mountain board and just soft enough for park/pipe when you want to.
The custom X is going to be a bit stiffer and closer to the grey line between all-mountain freestyle and all-mountain freeride. Although the extra stiffness may come in handy for the pipe.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear Binary.... Burton is overpriced and theres tons of boards out there that are better, for cheaper. Doing research and demos will prove this.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear Binary.... Burton is overpriced and theres tons of boards out there that are better, for cheaper. Doing research and demos will prove this.
I see these posts everywhere but I never see anyone take the time to list alternatives.

However, I wager when you come back with Rome, LibTech, Gnu, Ride, NeverSummer, etc... all the boards you list will be within 75 dollars of the price he can get the custom at.
Will the brand he chooses to ride make him a better or worse rider? probably not.

When you come back with your responses please make sure you find them in stores that accept SEK.

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I guess you aren't looking very hard because I'm constantly offering alternatives to people who think Burton makes the best snowboards on earth.

Capita is the #1 company I recommend, and I probably do it daily.

And sorry, I'm from the United States so I don't know what all companies ship to Sweden. This is a United States forum but I'm sure someone has some ideas....

I'm pretty sure I mentioned Nitro a couple posts ago as well, but nahhhh, nobody ever offers other suggestions.

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I guess you aren't looking very hard because I'm constantly offering alternatives to people who think Burton makes the best snowboards on earth.

Capita is the #1 company I recommend, and I probably do it daily.

And sorry, I'm from the United States so I don't know what all companies ship to Sweden. This is a United States forum but I'm sure someone has some ideas....

I'm pretty sure I mentioned Nitro a couple posts ago as well, but nahhhh, nobody ever offers other suggestions.
This is why "burton is overpriced" isn't a universal statement.
"ford cars are boring" is mostly only true in the USA. In AUS for example they make a really cool version of the focus that would make most subie fans jealous.

I decided to go shopping for you.

Capita - Snowboardpaket "Quiver Killer 159 + Re-Union L/XL" - Junkyard.se
Capita Quiver Killer (close to the custom as I could find) with union bindings. 5499 SEK

One thing to remember is that in the USA we don't have a super expensive tax on imports. Most european countries have a 25% VAT.

EDIT:
I found the current custom ICS
http://www.junkyard.se/Product.aspx?...DetailId=25492
its 5999SEK w/o bindings.

500SEK is about $70 USD.

Depending on bindings chosen he could be out another 2k SEK. So that might be worth something (I have no idea how good those union bindings are they could be complete crap). Although his prices he has found are better than this store.

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Instead of people's personal grudges with burton rants, lets answer the posters question.

Narrowing it down a bit, the X8 is going to be too park focused for what you want, holds and edge well, but I think you're better off with the Custom X. My orthopedic doc has a custom x and really likes it, and I believe he rides the same conditions/styles as you.
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