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Is a NS type two what I'm looking for?

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#1 · (Edited)
End of season I usually get experimental... I'm thinking of giving NS a chance (I usually ride camber or camrock boards).

I'm looking for a resort all mtn board which has good edgehold in the hardpack mornings and carves great, has pop and is easy on my knees when landing jumps, and is nice to negociate through afternoon crud n moguls. A mess around board which is fun to ride all day, also if slow in stuffed groomers doing tight turns, but holds up as well if charging n laying wide radius carves.

They have a women's Type Two 151 left in the local shop. I'm ~125lbs. It this what I'm looking for? Or rather NS Aura since I hardly ever ride switch but love to carve?

Current to demo list:
NS T2 and Aura
Hel YES
Rome Gold
Capita Jess Kimura Pro
Jones Airheart and Twin Sister
Arbor Swoon
GNU B Pro C3

Spoiler:
Ended up with Aura and T2 :)
 
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#3 ·
Hmmm... a tiny tad magne is ok-ish, but full magne is breaking at carving. Don't like this...
 
#4 ·
hybrid profiles quick turning is definitely good for moguls. I personally prefer stability of camber but if i were to ride a hybrid it would be the type two or gnu space case. Also the womens type two for some reason feels stiffer than the mens (I compared a 138 womens vs mens 154 and the womens is dramatically stiffer). So the reviews may not be comparable between the two.
 
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hybrid profiles quick turning is definitely good for moguls. I personally prefer stability of camber but if i were to ride a hybrid it would be the type two or gnu space case. Also the womens type two for some reason feels stiffer than the mens (I compared a 138 womens vs mens 154 and the womens is dramatically stiffer). So the reviews may not be comparable between the two.
You don't think that the difference might just be because it's shorter? I mean bend a long stick & then try to bend a short one of the same diameter! :blink: Short one's gonna be harder to bend.

Might not be a true, 1:1 metaphor for a snowboard comparison, but it would seem to make sense to me. :shrug:
 
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LoL! As if picking the right size, flex & profile wasn't already confusing enough? Now you gotta consider & research flex variables between different sizes of the same model board. :facepalm3:

(...apologies to @neni for the thread sidetracking!) ;) :embarrased1:
 
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Get the Funslinger neni.
That board meets most of your criteria imo.

The Type Two is the most boring board I have ever ridden.
Seriously.

The Funslinger is tied for the most fun board I have ever ridden.
It would serve as a terrific polar opposite to your Flagship, thereby giving you very different options when you hit the slopes.
 
#10 ·
Get the Funslinger neni.
That board meets most of your criteria imo.
That a men's board... too wide. I'm looking at women's NS options...

Can you specify what you found boring? In what terms?
 
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These are the specs for the Funslinger copied from NS's website. @neni, I don't recall what ww you prefer, but everything up to 151 in length is under 25cms.

I rode Sabatoa's 157X Funslinger which was a wide board. (...and I mean neither my boots toes or heel came past the edge of it @ +\-15° ducked!) :blink:

My point is,.. it wasn't at all hard to get on edge. So maybe even if the one you're lookin at is a little wider than optimal? It might still work for you.

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Actually,.. what I meant to say was, If you want to "consider" a FS instead of the T2? Then it might not be too wide for you.

FUNSLINGER Specs.
Size* Waist Edge Sidecut** (Toe/Heel) Tip / Tail
146 24.5 112 Vario 700/635 28.9
149 24.7 113 Vario 735/657 29.2
151 24.8 115 Vario 755/676 29.3
153 25.0 117 Vario 783/701 29.5
156 25.3 119 Vario 818/736 29.8

:grin:
 
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Actually,.. what I meant to say was, If you want to "consider" a FS instead of the T2? Then it might not be too wide for you.
Negative. Everything above 24cm already is what you guys would call a "wide" board. Even on a 23.5 my toes have no overhang... I do already ride such a "wide" as daily driver. Not interested in going X wide. I already have enough boards which need lots of leg; this one should be more lightfooted fun than strenuous sports :)

A 146 / 24.5cm would be double nonsense: X wide which makes life just hard for carving AND too short i.e. no fun carving anyway.

Carving is too big a part of my everyday riding; I won't further compromise there. I'd say >115cm eff edge and <24.3cm wide are the outer thresholds. In short: no men's board will fit the bill.

What other boards (brands) do you have?

When I've gone from riding my Endeavor Live, pretty much any Burton and stuff like Capita DOA....... anything Never Summer is just pale in comparison. Not to mention that damn profile. Lots of edge though, and super easy to turn all of them. Very easy to ride.

Endeavor boards have real POP. Mine is like 4yrs old and I used it a lot before..... took it out on Sunday and that thing boosts.

I simply tried a few NS before only because of all the hype in this forum... but now I don't even bother.
I have/had Burton, Ride (no thanks; customers services sucks), Jones, Volkl and RadAir. Endeavor - like Venture - are unicorns over here. Available are brands like Burton, Jones, GNU, Roxy, Salomon, Ride, Capita, Nitro, NS, Arbor, K2, Rome

Currently riding a Jones women's Flagship 154 and Volkl Savvy Rocker 146, so the outer corners of burly freeride and noodly freestyle are covered. The middle of the road all day all mtn is vacant :)

NS just caught my attention cos they had <24cm width options which was intriguing. And since the Raptor of SO was such a great ride (easy n great to carve, easy turning in moguls, great dampening). But if there's any other brand with great carving poppy women's models, I'm open.
 
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Funslinger has plenty of pop, it's the T2 that doesn't.

Neni, what aspects do you want to prioritize here?

good edgehold in the hardpack mornings and carves great, has pop and is easy on my knees when landing jumps, and is nice to negociate through afternoon crud n moguls.
Could you order the characteristics in order of importance?
 
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Funslinger has plenty of pop, it's the T2 that doesn't.

Neni, what aspects do you want to prioritize here?



Could you order the characteristics in order of importance?
Must: Carvability and pop

The others come for free (as I'm used to a Jones Flagship I assume anything else will feel comparably easy to negotiate through moguls and soft to land)
 
#21 ·
Seems the safe bet is a Jones Twin Sister, 149 or 152. A step down from your flag in a familiar way. I've a friend who rides a 152 at (guessing 135-140lb?) and it never lets her down, she's a solid rider but definitely not your calibre.

Burton Talent Scout 149 could work too, and ff you can handle the graphics, there's the Capita Jess Kimura Pro 150.
 
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Seems the safe bet is a Jones Twin Sister, 149 or 152. A step down from your flag in a familiar way. I've a friend who rides a 152 at (guessing 135-140lb?) and it never lets her down, she's a solid rider but definitely not your calibre.
Lol, I hadn't looked at it on purpose cos I didn't want yet another Jones. But yeah, it'll be on the demo list.

Also NS Aura, Hel YES and Rome Gold are on the to demo list.

and ff you can handle the graphics, there's the Capita Jess Kimura Pro 150.
Had to google it. WTF?! You're kitting me?! It's so uber ugly, it already is borderline cool. If it's a hardcharging aggressive deck? I'd proly get it just for the irony :laugh:

Look at the Arbor Swoon rocker.
A rocker...? interesting. Had looked at the camber version. Sweet looking. Gonna put it on a demo list. Cannot imagine that a rocker really rips carves tho... Where does it gets pop out of a carve from if there's no camber to load? (It's 5am, my brain's bit slow)
 
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#22 ·
I rode on TT over 30 times this season. The pop feels okay to me. Haven't got a chance to ride the funslinger but I believe it's supposed to be a freestyle board instead of all mtn freestyle...
 
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If you are interested in the Jess Kimura the graphics on the '15 might be more appealing.

https://fourword.ca/CAPITA-WO-JESS-KIMURA-PRO-146-2015-141107014615-58762/

My girlfriend has this one and she says it's her favorite board ever. She also just got last years Hel Yes but hasn't ridden it yet. From the descriptions it sounds like the Hel Yes is a bit more freeride oriented than the Kimura.
 
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It's gonna be a Hel Yes cos Aura and co were unavailable and if a girl has the shopping frenzy she cannot wait till next season :) Tracked one down in a little shop in the next city. Gonna fetch it next week. Oh man! Now I need to find a resort which is still open after Easter cos I can't torture myself all summer long staring at the unused deck marveling about how it rides :laugh:

Edit: didn't happen; they had only a tiny size left.
 
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It's gonna be a Hel Yes cos Aura and co were unavailable and if a girl has the shopping frenzy she cannot wait till next season :) Tracked one down in a little shop in the next city. Gonna fetch it next week. Oh man! Now I need to find a resort which is still open after Easter cos I can't torture myself all summer long staring at the unused deck marveling about how it rides :laugh:
hahah that's torture.

Yeah a bunch of good recommendations up there. I think the Capita jess Kimura would be super cool. Keep you young :D

Also the Burton Talent Scout looks perfect. It's got the same core and triax-glass as most of the men's Family Tree boards, so should be sweet and poppy without an overly aggressive feel.

But most of the others are fine too. Hel Yes looks sweet.

Even a Funslinger is not too bad being wider because of the extra rocker. Also, even IF it didnt have as much 'true pop' as some of the other boards; the pop in rocker boards is very accessible, so it somewhat makes up on ollies and stuff.
 
#30 ·
I'll try the 149 first. If it's absolutely odd, I could still change to the 152, but that one if fairly wide. However, I still have the NS Aura in mind... That one comes in so promising specs, long AND narrow... The NS Raptor I had tried some years back had such a great acceleration out of carves, it almost kicked me off in the first turns, lol, it was fabulous. In the same time it was super damp, swallowing all the uneven suface. Maybe it was cos it was a 164, but if the Aura has similar characteristics? And I can get my brain used to the middle rocker? It could be a very nice contrast to the Flag.

Thus a mid sized Hel Yes for the days when the resort is crowded... do some carves if there's an empty spot, throw in some jumps, if hitting traffic jam, do some butters, ride some turns switch, and when the moguls pile up in the afternoon, play with them.
And the in addition an Aura 155 for the day when empty groomers invite to carve.

That's the idea at least :).
 
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Middle rocker is lots of fun, real easy boards to manipulate under your feet, like F1EA posted those boards just like to turn and he has a solid point that the flex is easily accessible compared to camber dominate decks where your fighting the mid section to flex it to your liking, edge hold your probably gonna be disappointed considering what your used to riding, rocker boards especially softer flexing ones ride small, mostly cause it's easier to over flex them when your driving your weight when railing that edge. If you lower your edge hold standard you'll probably be pleasantly surprised, it's not going to be on rails when you drive it, but then again that's not the purpose of rocker, on your cobra experience, you have to factor in it was a bit oversized you won't get the same results when you size down a rocker to your weight.

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Middle rocker is lots of fun, real easy boards to manipulate under your feet, like F1EA posted those boards just like to turn and he has a solid point that the flex is easily accessible compared to camber dominate decks where your fighting the mid section to flex it to your liking, edge hold your probably gonna be disappointed considering what your used to riding, rocker boards especially softer flexing ones ride small, mostly cause it's easier to over flex them when your driving your weight when railing that edge. If you lower your edge hold standard you'll probably be pleasantly surprised, it's not going to be on rails when you drive it, but then again that's not the purpose of rocker, on your cobra experience, you have to factor in it was a bit oversized you won't get the same results when you size down a rocker to your weight.
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THIS. great description. I have a Type 2 and NS gets either a lot of love, or a lot of hate. I beat the shit out of my TT for 2 full seasons now and it gives me the ability to go into more exposed terrain, need be, cuz I know that it will usually come out unscathed. I would give durability a 9/10 from my experience. The topsheet does get a bit peely at the edges if you knick something but ever so slightly and not noticable unless you run your finger alongside the top edge.

this board has ninja like edge to edge ability. Glade runs are a dream on this thing and you can slay moguls. Instead of speed checking by washing your board out you can throw in like 5 quick carves instead to bring you back down, that's how easy it is to maneuver. Tight snappy turns excels on this board. The edge hold is pretty good and has held up for me in variable conditions, but this isn't a long carve freeride deck. I would say it's an all mountain freestyle board. It has decent pop, good dampness, doesn't chatter much, can handle chop, loves to spin n jump. Have had this out in a pow day and takes very little to work, floats very well in my opinion on a centered stance. Forget about nipple scraping a carve on harder snow, but you can get close on the soft stuff. It can handle speed but really would prefer to turn, making it hard to straight line or take into a tight chute. All mountain aggressive yet still playful board. As I'm looking for a splitboard the ONLY thing pushing me away from the CRC NS boards is the lack of confidence it instills at high speeds.
 
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Nice Proto in your pic @CauseNAffect ! One of the more beautiful topsheets I have seen in person. When I read your description and hear similar feedback from those who truly shred and love this deck, it moves back up to my #1 choice to replace my GNU Ladies Choice. However, I'm still on the fence as I've done CRC for quite awhile now and maybe want a little more camber, so we'll see what happens ;) I've ridden the Funslinger, so if the ladies proto is stiffer with even better edge hold, that just might be what I'm after.
 
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I've ridden the Funslinger, so if the ladies proto is stiffer with even better edge hold, that just might be what I'm after.
It is both stiffer and has a better edge hold than Funslinger. T2 is markedly less damp, less poppy, but not without pop entirely, very good accelerating out of turns, terrific holding speed on cattracks, way much better than Funslinger going through chop and chunder.

Funslinger has better float in powder. I'm still debating which board is better in moguls, and by moguls I don't mean bumps that naturally form by the end of the day but artificially constructed heavily moguled fields. I also had no problem doing ground tricks or spinning 360s on both boards.
 
#35 ·
I just rode a 45+ degree face at tuckermans ravine this weekend that was pretty iced over / hard crust and the thing was fine, been to whistler and snowbird down the gnar with it and i've never not had confidence, only times when ur a lil sketched out is when you're FLYING at crazy speeds. As I said it wants to turn. But i've had 2 seasons of pure joy on it. My board feels like a 7/10 stiffness wise, other people say it is more flexy. Definitely stiffer than the funslinger with a better hold. It's a more aggressive version of the funslinger without a doubt. You'll be happy with it if youre accustom to NS CRC profiles.
 
#38 ·
My fiance has the Jones Twin Sister and she loves it. Can rip turns, stable at high speeds and she loves taking it into the park with us on jumps, boxes etc. I know you want to try something new, but its a solid deck. She initially wanted the Hel Yes but our shop had the Twin Sister at a solid price cos it was a demo. But I think either of these two you would love.
 
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Effective edge has very little to do with camber profile, you can't say a rocker domiant board will have less than a camber dominant board. It almost entirely depends where the contact points are.

A hybrid profile like NS ripsaw profile makes it easier to engage more of the effective edge earlier in a turn, helping provide grip. The contact points and the center rocker section engage the snow without requiring much force, compared to a stiff full camber board where you have to put more force into the board to decamber it or tilt it higher on edge to fully engage the edge.

I actually really like the ripsaw profile on ice, keep it on edge and it's fantastic. My Type 2 had undoubtedly better edgehold than my Endeavor cobain which is camber dominant, but also a shorter EE for the same board length and similar flex. Likely due to the extra camber in the ripsaw profile helping provide more pressure at the contact points, whereas the RCR Cobain had rockered and slightly softer tips which would give out sooner on a hard carve.
 
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How would you size a ripsaw deck? Do the ride longer? I've no clue at all what one has to consider when sizing this new to me profile.
I'm torn between 155 and 157 Aura. 157 is tempting cos it's still very narrow; however, the longest deck in a lineup is usually thought for the heavier rider, which I ain't...
 
#57 ·
One thing you wont like is the edge hold on what you considered hard packed. It is shit. I ride the neversummer crc profile 80% of the time. When its a groomer day I ride camber. As you saw I keep my camber board in my truck all season. Once you carve on camber you wont want crc...

There is no question that you could have fun with the board and its great for certain thing's, YOU or SO could carve it because you're great riders. you ride hard and fast on edge and crc just isnt the way to go. On a deep powder day you would be in love though.... you are probably in the top 5% of riding ability and could smoke 90% of the guys on the slopes and probably 95% of the ones on this forum (no offense guys). The average weekend rider cant understand that ability level.
 
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One thing you wont like is the edge hold on what you considered hard packed. Once you carve on camber you wont want crc...
I would agree, also my feelings on rocker vs cam in regards to carving but perhaps it's preference here judging by the responses. You can make lightning fast carves but on a groomer you can't lay down on your carves without losing the edge.

You can load the board up pretty well with a minimal effort on bigger jumps. On flat ground it doesn't have much pop to it though. I wouldn't call it dead but it ain't springin that's for sure. It's a sacrifice you can make considering the other features.
 
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I put around 15 days on mine in all conditions, and looking through trace tells me I probably average 50-60 jumps a day. For how I ride, the board became a let down compared to my more camber dominant boards which are a blast to pop off everything in sight. The TT is a snowboard, of course it can pop or ollie, but it just doesn't give you much of a return for the effort you put in. I found the tip and tail 'mushy' for lack of a better word, whereas I like snappy. For a board marketed as an all mountain freestyle machine, it just falls flat when trying to generate air compared to a lot of other boards in that category. If you're only going to take it off kickers that's fine because as long as your speed is good, you'll be solid. For sending it 10-15ft off a cat track, it's just not there.

Everything else about it is great, I actually loved carving on it, NS sidecuts are dialed in and you could drive that back knee in and accelerate out of a turn better than any other hybrid I've ridden. Best twin I've ridden in powder as well, the dampness and being able to pop the nose up with a slight shift in weight was really nice.
 
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@F1EA which deck ?
 
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Burton Panhandler 156.
I tried a few others the same day, but the PH was way too fun.

It's a pow board for sure. Rocker nose then flat. The 156 is pretty short but it's wide-ish so it floated non-stop. Without being a short-fatty. Kinda feels like a Fish but less taper, less setback, has more tail and a longer sidecut so it behaves differently enough.... also floatier/more loose and not as stiff as my other boards; and because it's flat camber and with a decent tail it's pretty easy to ollie it, whereas boards with more camber need a bit more puff to get the pop going. It took only 1 jump off a roller to see this thing has springy pop like mad. Take that Noreaster hahah.

Similar core and laminates to my LL (which also has mad pop) but on a flat profile and a shorter length which makes it a lot friendlier.

It was bottomless turns up top, but then slushy at lower mtn so I rode in pretty much every condition.....

Would have tried a few other boards but I didnt want to give up the Panhandler and the pow was running out. Also didnt have bindings for the other stuff as I was on channel bindings; next yr I better remember to bring extra discs for 4-hole boards because I wanted to try the Kazu, a Prior Khyber and a NS 25.

........ buuuuuut neni is not looking for pow boards :D
 
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