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Old 01-25-2010, 07:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm set in terms of boards and bindings, and quite pleased what what I have. Plus, I'm getting a Never Summer EVO-R in the mail tomorrow with some Ride Nitranes! Come hell or high water, I'm going to find a non traditional binding that's comfortable for me and my ridiculous feet! We'll see.

Anyhow, I'm interested in Burton's channel system just from a curiosity standpoint. And I also like to hear about people's experiences, in general. Feel free to not comment if you think the thread is pointless, I just love to talk about anything snowboarding.

So I was reading some older threads, mostly from last year, and it didn't seem like there were many people on the board who have the channel system. That or not many came out of the woodwork. So I have a couple of questions: For the people who have ridden it for two seasons now, what are your impressions having had more experience with the channel system? Are any of you riding both a channel setup and a non channel setup? And finally, for those of you who've ridden last year's and this year's Burton boards with the channel system, has it improved for 2010?

Another thing I'm wondering just out of curiosity-, based on what I've read, the channel system kind of gives the boards "more" board feel and different flex characteristics. This makes me wonder if they have to take their stiff boards and actually make them stiffer to compensate for the loss of rigidity that the channel may create?

Like I said, this stuff is just something for me to chew on until I go boarding again in a couple of days. I find it interesting.
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The channel is awesome, just because you can use est bindings with it. More padding, better response (imo). And it is crazy fast to set up, just slide out to the distance you want, align the angles, tighten the two screws and done. The overall setup is also a lot lighter than traditional boards because est bindings don't have an underfoot baseplate, only padding. The channel is that same since it has come out, however they are changing it for next year by making it a little wider. Gives the hardware more room to grip to solve problems with sliding, although I haven't had my bindings slide once yet. The channel doesn't soften the flex at all, its just because the est bindings have no underfoot baseplate so they flex easier, but the boards flex the same. If anything I would assume the channel adds rigidity.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I love the channel system just for the infinite amount of angle and positions you can put your bindings in. Also like the guy above me said, for the comfort. With the channel the bindings are actually thinner AND more cushioned. Tweaks are a flash as it only takes a minute to adjust since you just have to loosen 2 screws, slide/twist/move, and re-tighten them. I am plenty open to traditional disc systems but I just don't have the $$ to buy another pair of bindings so I'll be sticking with Burton boards for at least another season or 2 unless my stuff breaks. Since I don't go 50+ days a season it tends to hold up.

PS...I have never had my bindings slide, twist, or move at all while riding.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The channel is awesome, just because you can use est bindings with it. More padding, better response (imo). And it is crazy fast to set up, just slide out to the distance you want, align the angles, tighten the two screws and done. The overall setup is also a lot lighter than traditional boards because est bindings don't have an underfoot baseplate, only padding. The channel is that same since it has come out, however they are changing it for next year by making it a little wider. Gives the hardware more room to grip to solve problems with sliding, although I haven't had my bindings slide once yet.
Interesting. Where'd you hear they were going to make it wider?

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The channel doesn't soften the flex at all, its just because the est bindings have no underfoot baseplate so they flex easier, but the boards flex the same. If anything I would assume the channel adds rigidity.
Ah, I was misinformed. Cool to know. When I watched the videos, the stance setup was pretty neat. Plus you can mess around with narrow stances without having to spend too much time with screws. The different footbed options seem pretty cool as well.

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PS...I have never had my bindings slide, twist, or move at all while riding.
I'm a lightweight rider, I don't think I'd ever have to worry about that I wouldn't mind demoing a setup just for shits and giggles.

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Interesting. Where'd you hear they were going to make it wider?
Saw some of next years gear and talked to the local rep.
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In honesty this is an unbiased comment, this is my first board with the channel (out of many), and first burton as well.

Years and years ago there were baseless bindings, no pad, just foot on the board. I hated it, felt terrible, the only cool thing about them was being able to feel a rail or box under your foot.

With the new ICS I was a little skeptical about the 2 screws instead of 4, in fact many people I talk to ask me about it. Obviously a company wouldn't be putting out a board and bindings combination that would tear apart. Not once has it come loose, hand tightened, I check them before every time I ride and never had to re-tighten either. In terms of board feel, I tried non EST bindings on it for a few runs and then put my Triad ESTs on there, there is a difference in board feel, it isn't just a gimmick. I can't really explain how it feels, just that I have more control. To me personally, I feel as if I can butter better with EST's than without on the same board, but as said above this is the bindings not the board. I ride a park board so I cannot comment on how a stiff board feels with it, but I'm very happy with it.


Another part of it is the markings on the board, super easy to get you're stance perfect, in terms of width and setback or centered.

Now with that comes the bindings, have used both the Cartels and the Triads (sold the Cartels, currently riding Triads). The pad underfoot is wonderful, soft but doesn't tear apart from standing on it or strapping in. Alot of people don't realize there are 3 "bubbles" on the footbed.

The large one is for stance width and center or not, the markings on the board show where you're at, and you just look through the bubble and line it up.
The 2nd is a spot for centering your bindings heel to toe (will post photo)
The third is your angle, loosen 2 screws and eye up the angle and you're done. I've never used regular triads, but the EST's are VERY light.

I'm no burton whore, as said before this is my first burton set-up in 16 years of riding, but they seriously are an excellent set-up.

Photo of the bubbles, hard to shoot in my basement due to flash but you get the idea. Don't mind the rust, didn't wipe it down and it sat for a week.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I agree with all that's been said above. The channel has great padding, and the two screw system has never shifted on me. I've only tightened it down once, and it's stayed. I'm not one to change my angles often, but I know that when I want to, the system is there to give me whatever I like. While some people will hate on the system because it's proprietary to Burton, I feel that if all boards had it, we'd all benefit.
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I'm riding the channel as well. Although my board is very stiff, as are my bindings, so I haven't noticed the increased "feel" that Burton claims is there (however I do understand what they're talking about if it was a softer flex board. Especially seeing as you are standing right on the board, with the exception of the cushioned foot beds. Which are so sweet by the way when landing in the flat!)

I however have had my binding slide on me. About half Cm or half an inch over my toe edge. The screws seem tight too, yet it still shifted. I'm not too sketched out seeing as I put that board through absolute hell OB but it's still a little alarming. I had adjusted my angles the day before so I didn't check them the morning of, and I smoked a couple trees, but it's still something I think I need to keep an eye on.
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Nice turnout so far, thanks for the interesting comments. Anything that makes setup quicker and easier is pretty sweet it my book. I'm definitely most curious about the board feel and the cushions. I hope there's a Burton demo day around the new england area. It would be pretty sweet to try one out.

It really is too bad it's proprietary tech. It seems like it would be of benefit to everyone like vi3telit3 said. It's impressive how simple they made picking your angle, stance width, and heel toe centering. I'm surprised burton hasn't tried an alternative binding format like flow/ride/GNU/k2
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It really is too bad it's proprietary tech. It seems like it would be of benefit to everyone like vi3telit3 said. It's impressive how simple they made picking your angle, stance width, and heel toe centering. I'm surprised burton hasn't tried an alternative binding format like flow/ride/GNU/k2
I was in a local shop the other day and saw that the channel is now being offered on some of Forum's boards. This however is still somewhat proprietary seeing as Forum is one of the companies that falls under the Burton umbrella as of 2004
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