I've been trying to doing some research for a new powder and/or freeride board, and can't really find much on these two boards. If anyone's ridden either one of these before, I'd like to hear what opinions they have about them, thanks.
Demo'd the Archetype for an hour in March.
I already own a Clout and a High5.
Endeavor makes some awesome boards IMO.
The Archetype can ride switch easily, which shocked me as it is a swallow tail.
Board is as much fun as my two boards. Great construction as well.
Unfortunately, I was not able to try it on powder.
A little off topic, but so torn on grabbing a 159 Alter Ego for a great off-szn price. Esp after listening to your pod with Avram/Angry on quivers. It has been on my radar all yr, but when you said it rides just like the Berzerker it made me want to get it even more as that's one board I've been dying to ride for a long while now ... just gotta figure out how to spin it with my lady, esp since I already said I'm done getting boards indefinitely haha. First world problems lol.
And @F1EA ; has been talking well of Endeavour boards, plus been hearing nothing but good things about them. They're going full camber on their boards now no? Curious to try one eventually.
been looking and salivating for the archetype as well... i misread and thought you said $360 for that sucker
ran into one of the endeavor guys up at cypress and he said that anybody on the fence about plopping down the cash for it can pickup one at their home base in railtown to testdrive it
It says everything I feel about the Clout.
I have ridden many boards from different manufacturers and with different camber profiles over my 12 years of riding.
With the exception of powder, the Clout can do everything well. So much so, that I am reducing my board collection from 9 at the beginning of 2017 to 2 now. Just the Clout for everything except powder, and a Smokin Jetson for powder.
The same day I demo'd the Archetype, a guy in my club went to demo the Never Summer Type 2. As I was his instructor that day for a class, he asked what I would recommend. I said the Clout. He demo'd both boards and preferred the Clout.
Check Endeavor's website or call Showcase in Whistler.
I saw a few there at Showcase. They don't have a full online store but you can call to see what they have and I'm pretty sure they'd ship for free within Canada.
Thanks for the heads up f1ea.
Just got off the phone with Showcase.
They have the board I want (157W) but only 20% off.:frown:
Not sure I want to pay that much for end of season.
CauseNEffect, where did you buy your Clout?
Any 157W there?
The Clout, BOD, Maverick & Archetype all look so gangster. Love the black out theme of their Powder Quiver series.
Ya the Maverick looks like the FA/S Rocker profile. Archetype looks amazing too with the swallowtail, which is all the rage with all the brands for past couple szns now.
But fackk, if I wasnt so locked into getting the Alter Ego, would have the considered the Mav. Initially the Archetype cos def want a swallowtail in the quiver if I'm adding another but the ww even at 158 is like 26.
@F1EA: unfortunately I'm in the midwest for most of the year, though i try to make a trip to Colorado once a year. Mostly asking since there's a 154 on sale for way cheaper than the 158, so I was curious to see if I could just go shorter
The 154 might work if you're already used to short boards and have smaller feet; and are not planning to take it to Japan or Alaska or BC for guaranteed deep days.
Question is... are you looking for a powder board or just something that floats better than whatever you have.
If it's going to be hit or miss (powder) but you want to be ok if you do hit pow and want something still playful but more chargeable than say a short park twin, then the Maverick is better.
If you want a floaty shape but have small feet and are used to short boards then the 154 AT seems decent. But if you want a proper pow stick for deep days then get the 158 AT.
yea definitely copping a 158 in this, watched a video with the owner saying you should downise on it but im pretty that size will be fine.
if i have to choose one single directional powder slasher for deep days, (at least for the next year), i think this is a good pick.
Yeah definitely a powder board. Looking at it (camber section, width, setback, taper etc) seems like somewhere inbetween Fish and Landlord. Which is pretty dope.
You can downsize on it because it is wide. BUT in my case 158 is just 1cm shorter than my "regular board" length (my Endeavor Live and Landlord are 159) and my other boards are longer, So I'm kind of downsizing but not much.....
Other than that, yeah. Deep powder stick in the vein of anything Mid-wide, cambered and with a swallow tail. I'm pretty sure it will rip groomers too.
sounds rad, wondering how it floats in deep snow vs a rocker swallowtail. It's rocker at tip n tail, but wonder how much noticeable difference there is in feeling riding one vs. another (if i have to get one powder board for next season, want it to be japow level capable).
That would be kind of redundant. The idea of a swallow tail is to keep a normal camber feeling on hardpacked stuff, with the lift coming in on soft snow. If you're going to have full rocker, then no need for a cut out tail, as the tip will be already lifted from the rocker....
So nice hearing all of this information. And yes I had just looked at the jones stormchaser before asking, was referring more to rocker. Makes sense it has a floatier feel, which my CRC board did with the rocker. The question was most directly related to what profile was more fun in powder, and if there is a large difference. I'm assuming the archetype will be plenty fun, just don't have much to compare it to in the deep vs something else. I'm getting the idea though, appreciate the comments.
I'm quite excited to have multiple boards now to get first-hand experience with these things. REALLY NICE.
As for which profile is more fun in powder that's hard to answer.
I REALLY like rocker nose to flat in powder.
But it loses out a bit on harder snow and pop.... so camber + swallow or nose rocker, or reduced tail surface, etc sort of offers better compromise for pow vs groomers and pop in my opinion.
But if it was pure japan style deep pow all day...... I'd personally go with flat with rocker nose. Even add a small swallow or chopped tail.
Like.... Burton Panhandler​, Fish, Fullbag Lifer, Charlie Slasher, Yes 420 etc. I'd take that Lifer or Fish to Japan any day.
But most people don't get such luxuries.... so nose rocker to camber works pretty well under more mixed conditions.
Actually the Storm Chaser is really full rocker. Technically there might be tiny flat section just in front of the rear binding but it is effectively irrelevant.
Similar for the flat Burton boards with nose rocker past the front binding.
That said, with the base contouring/speed channel the Storm Chaser is not really a traditional swallow tail any longer.
Man, I bet fucking around with the stance on that thing will be really fun. With 3 cms of taper and the swallow, I doubt you'll ever need more setback than the 3 cm reference, though It may feel good. I wonder how it will feel slammed forward of reference? It could potentially be awesome for darting nimbly through tight trees. Depending on weight, you likely still would bury the nose. Should be a lot of fun dialing it in.
I'm really looking forward to your take on that thing once shit gets deep next season.
I also just received the clout in. The archetype has a lot of visible camber, the Clout is labeled as 3D camber with Raised contact points. I would consider it an early rise to flat board, 0 visible camber and 0 compression when pressing it in the center. I'm excited to ride it, looks bomber as F. Tad surprised based on the profile drawings on the site, etc
The camber in the center is near indiscernible. A little bit moreso around the contact points. It's interesting, was expecting more dramatic look of camber in the middle. i highlighted the camber areas with a red slash (probly not needed but image is tough to see)
Yeah that looks flat. Unless the surface is not perfectly flat...
But there appears to be some camber going on, maybe it's a hybrid camber to flat to camber again thing? I don't know. Ask them via email to be certain (and if it ever matters heh).
BUT... a FULL rocker board with taper and a swallow tail.
Where are those and how come you don't see many, if at all??
Thing is..... rocker does not "add float". What rocker does is lift the contact points.
Taper does not add float either. Taper lifts the nose.
A swallow tail does not add float. It lifts the nose.
Surface area.... adds float.
On the other hand, full camber is not that great in Pow. Yet... there's lots of full camber pow sticks. How come?
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