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billygold18 02-15-2010 08:34 PM

Dark Series C2 & Never Summer Heritage Redux
So, I posted a previous thread in which I was able to narrow down my choices for a new board to the Lib-Tech Dark Series C2 BTX, the Never Summer Heritage-R, and the Lib-Tech T. Rice C2 BTX (which is pretty much sold out, so I will go after next year's). However, I am not getting any discounts on these boards, where as I am finding amazing deals on three other boards: the Gnu Altered Genetics, the Ride Concept UL, and the Nitro Blacklight. Should I hold out until March for a good deal on my original choices, or pull the trigger on one of these second three boards.

I am an advanced rider, who prefers an all mountain-freeride board that can handle the icey chop of the Northeast. I don't care for park, but would like a board that is capable of switch riding. I love back country, but it is non-existent in Pennsylvania where I will do a majority of my riding, so I have to be realistic.

I plan on pairing any board I get with Rome Targa bindings.

crazyface 02-15-2010 08:41 PM

i vote for anything with MTX. it makes a huge difference on ice and hard pack. ive read that the dark series is a great freeride/allmountain board, but have never ridden one or any of your other options.

Cool_As_Cakes 02-15-2010 08:43 PM

you probably won't find deals on either of the three original boards so don't hold your breath there. Ya get what ya pay for usually though

billygold18 02-16-2010 10:35 AM

So I actually found two great discounts, but not on the never summer. I posted them in a new thread "Dark Series vs. Phoenix Lando." Sorry for posting so much, but I definitely appreciate your help. I'm just itching to get this over with already.

vrecksler 11-28-2010 12:43 PM


Do you mind posting an update on what you selected and how it turned out?

I went with the Lib Tech Dark Series C2BTX last year, and am now strongly considering switching to the Never Summer Heritage.

Things I liked about the Lib:
- Stiff and rigid enough to plow through crud at mach speeds
- Reverse camber was great in powder

Things I didn't like about it:
- Heavy
- Magne traction is too invasive, especially when riding/landing switch
- Reverse camber doesn't let me 'carve' hardpack or corduroy

Overall, I found the board to be very confidence inspiring in conditions that I traditionally don't ride well; a few days after a snowfall when the mountain is shredded up and no longer soft, I could charge down as if it was powder. While other boards would deflect each time it hits a big death cookie, the Dark Series held the line and just motored on through. But I do a lot of small hill riding on runs and enjoy holding an edge and actually carving, and the Lib just doesn't do it.

From what I have read, the NS Heritage's edges are much more subtle than Magne, and the R&C is also a milder version of the C2BTX. Since I bought my board at, and they have a lifetime return policy, I can exchange it without any hassles.

So I'm really interested to hear your experiences since it sounds like we were looking for the same kind of board. :)

Triple8Sol 11-28-2010 12:54 PM

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The Heritage is not gonna any lighter. RC is so similar too C2 so if you don't like one...

walove 11-28-2010 05:45 PM

if you can get the gnu alter gen. then go with that. Its got all the crazy mervin tech with a light weight build, in a freeride minded deck. Retails for the same as the t-rice and dark series. Its not a twin though, directional with a hint of set back.

billygold18 11-28-2010 06:27 PM

I love the DS C2 2010. I don't think it is heavy at all, and it has insane pop. I consider it a freestyle, freeride board. Free style for it's twin directional body, and free ride for it's stiff build. I live in PA (= all ice) and I felt it carved very well. As you said, it is "confidence inspiring" and can hard-charge anything.

However, my one regret is not having a chance to try it in a 158. I am 5'11" 180 and bought a 161. I ride it very well, and I am sure the added length adds to my freeride ability. I am able to play with it, but not as well as I could if it were a bit shorter. I can butter it slightly, but not as well as I could if it were a bit shorter. However, it is very stiff, so not really meant for that.

All-in-all I am freerider, who has lately dabbled in freestyle, and this board fits me well. I had been riding for years on the same basic Burton board, and wanted to take it to the next level. I would have liked to have tried a shorter board, but I have only ridden the 161 five times and have a season to get a better feel for it. Worst comes to worst, I can sell it at the end of the season and go for the 158.

However, I am sure you are not interested in the details of size. In terms of the board overall, I highly suggest it. It truly is amazing.

vrecksler 11-28-2010 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Triple8Sol (Post 333643)
The Heritage is not gonna any lighter. RC is so similar too C2 so if you don't like one...

Dang, I sure hope you're wrong because I already ordered the Heritage. :o

Ah well, if I don't like it, I will try something else next season like one of the Gnu boards. And while the weight was a negative, it wasn't a deal breaker. If the Magne Traction had been a little more subtle (I found it very grabby) I might have been able to get it to carve the way I like to.

From what I've read, the NS R&C technology is less invasive than Lib's C2BTX and Magne Traction and while I am going into this expecting the Heritage to weigh about the same, those differences could make the difference for me.

Thanks for the responses! :)

john doe 11-28-2010 08:19 PM

Check out the Smokin KT-22 as well. It is rocker/camber like the Lib and NS and has magnetraction like Lib but is more subtle. The Angry Snowboarder Blog Archive Smokin KT-22 Used and Reviewed

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