Bataleon 2012 Q & A - Page 23 - Snowboarding Forum

JVee · 06-24-2011, 08:16 PM

Thanks for all your advice Wiredsport

Essentially what is the difference between the 2012 ET and Goliath? All I can gather is the ET is a true twin, where as the Goliath is setback slightly? Are both these boards considered high end do it all quiver killers? I haven't come across too many reviews for these 2012 models, apart from Shayboarder, who absolutely raved about the Goliath

Cheers
JV

Wiredsport · 06-25-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pete7:19

Wiredsport, great thread and some great advice, so here's my story:

I'm 5'9", 160 lbs and wearing a US size 9 Burton Hail.
Currently riding a 2009 Jam 157 for piste charging (at which it excels) a couple of weeks a year when work allows and a few trips to the 100 Yds indoor snow slope just to get my fix in between.

I need to add to it something slower with more flex for two reasons, firstly the Jam is a bit of a beast for 100 Yds of slope, by the time I get it half way to its potential I'm queueing for the lift, secondly on piste I need to escort my beginner wife now and then so I want something more playful to keep me amused while she perfects her turns and picks her butt off the floor, holding the Jam back is a calf muscle killer. I've got little experience at butters, presses or even ollies and don't think the Jam ideal for improving these.
I was looking at K2 WWW and tried out the wifes K2 Luna for laughs when I realised how much I loved TBT, I do enjoy spinning like a loon without catching an edge. I saw the 2012 catalogue online and after reading up on all the awesome looking new TBT found I was leaning towards the new airobic.

So the Jam stays, no question and I want something to add to it, don't need one board that does a bit of everything, just one a bit playful that can handle basic tricks without kicking my butt, maybe the odd rail and kicker too. So jib versus twin, airobic versus ET, disaster too soft for my weight? Your thoughts on board and size would be appreciated.

Hi Pete,

The Airobic 151 will be perfect. On 100 yards of slope, small jibs and butters are what you have to work with and the Airobic does those thing perfectly. The ET 154 would be an awesome board for you, but it would be overkill if this will mostly be used indoors and the extra flex of the Airobic will be big fun in that setting.

Wiredsport · 06-25-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JVee

Thanks for all your advice Wiredsport

Essentially what is the difference between the 2012 ET and Goliath? All I can gather is the ET is a true twin, where as the Goliath is setback slightly? Are both these boards considered high end do it all quiver killers? I haven't come across too many reviews for these 2012 models, apart from Shayboarder, who absolutely raved about the Goliath

Cheers
JV

Hi JV,

No, these boards are actually very different. The big one is the TBT type (freestyle on the Goliath and Twin on the ET). The width of the center (non lifted) portion of the base on the ET is roughly 1/3 wider than on the Goliath.

From wide to narrow the 5 styles of TBT are: Jib > Twin > Freestyle > All Mountain > Freeride.

This is a little confusing because in this usage Twin TBT is referring to the actual dimensions of the triple base, not the twin shape of the outline. Both the Goliath and ET have 0 setback.

Then there is the Flex pattern. The ET uses a multi zone flex while the Goliath uses a constant flex layup.

pete7:19 · 06-25-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiredsport

Hi Pete,

The Airobic 151 will be perfect. On 100 yards of slope, small jibs and butters are what you have to work with and the Airobic does those thing perfectly. The ET 154 would be an awesome board for you, but it would be overkill if this will mostly be used indoors and the extra flex of the Airobic will be big fun in that setting.

That's great, I wanted to go as short as I could but wasn't sure I'd get away with the 151. The specs on the new ET sound awesome for sure now that it has the faster base but I can only justify one new board, maybe next year. Thanks again, top advice.

tdc_worm · 06-25-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiredsport

Got it. 7.5 women's = 6 men's = 24 cm = very small.

Width is a killer for small footed women and while some have gotten very good at riding wider boards, almost all really appreciate it when they get on something appropriately narrow.

The waists on the 149 ET and the Goliath 150 are 24.6 cm (and both are going to be ~ 1cm wider again at her stance position). That means that her toes/heels will be ~ a combined inch inside the edges at a normal stance. That makes it impossible to ride a board to its designed potential.

The Violenza 149 will be a great choice if she can live with the graphics.

yup, agree w the dimension issues. i guess the marketing geniuses across all board sports think that women 1) want puppy dogs and ice cream and butterflies for graphics instead of something cool and 2) think they have to dumb down gear for women.

also, she has her heart set on twin or freestyle TBT w/ a true twin shape and flex pattern, so the distortia or feelbetter will probably get the nod before the violenza. even then, similar lengthed boys boards are only approx 5-6mm wider in the waist...

Golliwog · 06-26-2011, 09:40 PM

Hi Wiredsport,

Followup question - should I be looking at the 158W or 159W ET? Im 6'5 (200cm) and 85kg, will have an undisputed for freeride so just need a mountain cruising/park stick. Booot size 12

Wiredsport · 06-27-2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Golliwog

Hi Wiredsport,

Followup question - should I be looking at the 158W or 159W ET? Im 6'5 (200cm) and 85kg, will have an undisputed for freeride so just need a mountain cruising/park stick. Booot size 12

Hi,

159 Wide will be perfect. There is no 158 Wide in the ET, so that make the choice easy

(or were you asking about another model?).

Thanks!

Golliwog · 06-27-2011, 09:32 AM

Hey mate,
I meant 156W vs 159W. damn typo

Wiredsport · 06-27-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Golliwog

Hey mate,
I meant 156W vs 159W. damn typo

Got it. 159 Wide will still be the best choice.

Thanks again.

ThePhazon · 06-30-2011, 10:43 PM

I might be looking for a park board to complement my all mountain board. I'm digging TBT and want to know what board and what size you would suggest. I'm 5'11" and around 155-160 lbs, boot size is 9.5.

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06-24-2011, 08:16 PM	#221 (permalink)
JVee Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 178	Thanks for all your advice Wiredsport Essentially what is the difference between the 2012 ET and Goliath? All I can gather is the ET is a true twin, where as the Goliath is setback slightly? Are both these boards considered high end do it all quiver killers? I haven't come across too many reviews for these 2012 models, apart from Shayboarder, who absolutely raved about the Goliath Cheers JV

06-26-2011, 09:40 PM	#226 (permalink)
Golliwog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 23	Hi Wiredsport, Followup question - should I be looking at the 158W or 159W ET? Im 6'5 (200cm) and 85kg, will have an undisputed for freeride so just need a mountain cruising/park stick. Booot size 12

06-27-2011, 09:32 AM	#228 (permalink)
Golliwog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 23	Hey mate, I meant 156W vs 159W. damn typo

06-30-2011, 10:43 PM	#230 (permalink)
ThePhazon Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 11	I might be looking for a park board to complement my all mountain board. I'm digging TBT and want to know what board and what size you would suggest. I'm 5'11" and around 155-160 lbs, boot size is 9.5.