Bataleon 2012 Q & A - Page 52 - Snowboarding Forum

Himynameissean · 10-25-2011, 10:27 AM

Wiredsport did you maybe miss my question? It's at the top of this page

snowklinger · 10-25-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tomek142

Doesn't that Evil Twin Classic have a extruded base? If so then hot iron wax is useless.

really? wtf?! seems like having wax is noticeable, maybe its placebo or goes away after a couple runs...so all the synthduded bataleons dont appreciate waxing?

i doubt its old wax, i scrubbed the board clean, after my wax job it looked nice and clean too, just looks like that after riding.

does it look like that cuz all teh wax is rubbed off the edges maybe?

CheeseForSteeze · 10-25-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tomek142

Doesn't that Evil Twin Classic have a extruded base? If so then hot iron wax is useless.

That's not true. A hot wax is always many times more effective than any spray-on/rub-on waxing, regardless if the base type. An extruded base is also porous, it just isn't as porous as a particle sintered material nor does it have the even pore distribution of a sintered base. Regardless, hot waxing it still opens the pores it does have allowing it to accept much more wax than a spray-on/rub-on product. It just won't absorb the ridiculous amounts a sintered base will.

snowklinger · 10-25-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseForSteeze

That's not true. A hot wax is always many times more effective than any spray-on/rub-on waxing, regardless if the base type. An extruded base is also porous, it just isn't as porous as a particle sintered material nor does it have the even pore distribution of a sintered base. Regardless, hot waxing it still opens the pores it does have allowing it to accept much more wax than a spray-on/rub-on product. It just won't absorb the ridiculous amounts a sintered base will.

phew! just got some new wax in, siked to be doin it myself, bummed if my board is such a giant lemon its not even worth waxing!

Wiredsport · 10-26-2011, 06:03 AM

Sintered vs Extruded

Sintered is not one thing. Extruded is not one thing. There are many varieties of each. Sinterred bases (depending on the base makeup) have different wax consumption properties as do Extruded bases. There are many grades of each base type. Just calling a base sinterred or extruded tells you very little. All benefit from regular waxing.

Himynameissean · 10-26-2011, 07:59 AM

I don't get it you answer everyone else's question but mine, I'll just buy else where I guess?

Wiredsport · 10-26-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Himynameissean

Hey I'm new to the forums and new enough to snowboarding I guess. Was really into it as a kid and only picked it up again last season. After reading through this thread, I'm pretty sure the Goliath is the board for me. I'm just not sure what size to go with. I'm 5'11", 170-175 pounds, size 12 in Burton Moto boots. I was thinking I'd need the 160W but I'd like to know what everyone else thinks?

I should add, most of the riding I'm going to be doing is groomed trails and I'm gonna be getting into the park this season too. I'm planning on a few trips to Vermont to see if I can get some powder but, thats not really my main concern.

Sorry there,

I thought when you had written, "I'd like to know what everyone else thinks" that you were looking for opinions other than mine (which would be welcomed and perfectly OK by me). The Goliath 160 W will be an excellent choice for your specs. It is the do everything Bataleon and will certainly set you up for a great winter.

Sorry again to leave you hanging out there

frechdaxx · 10-26-2011, 10:29 AM

Hey,

I would also love to get a recommendation on which Bataleon to get

I'm 6ft and between 165 and 170 pounds. So far I've ridden a Skate Banana 159W with Union Force L/XL for 2 years, which I liked a lot. Right now I feel that I want to do my first steps in the park, and be a little bit more playful when I'm cruising around. I looked into the Evil Twin and the Goliath, but leaning a bit more towards the Goliath. I really want to get a shorter board this time, but don't want to do a too big compromise when it comes to powder and cruising fast on the slopes. I had a Nitro Team TLS 45 1/3 when I bought the banana, but noticed that it was too big and switched down to a 44 Nitro Team TLS. This time I hope, that I can go with a non-wide board. My stance is 12/-12, or 18/-12, I actually don't remember right now

Thank you so much for your help!

CheeseForSteeze · 10-26-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiredsport

Sintered vs Extruded

Sintered is not one thing. Extruded is not one thing. There are many varieties of each. Sinterred bases (depending on the base makeup) have different wax consumption properties as do Extruded bases. There are many grades of each base type. Just calling a base sinterred or extruded tells you very little. All benefit from regular waxing.

Actually it tells you quite a bit. One was formed by pressing a solid piece of material through a die and the other was formed by sintering ground particles in a press at high temperatures and pressures for long duration. That alone is valuable Yea, are all sorts of material choices, molecular weights and manufacturing details, but the basic manufacturing principles still create basic attributes in a base which is die extruded versus particle sintered. A die extruded base will have grain slip-plane inconsistencies, less even pore distribution and it is not possible to achieve the porosity in a particle sintered process by using a die extrusion process, all other things being equal.

Wiredsport · 10-26-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseForSteeze

Actually it tells you quite a bit. One was formed by pressing a solid piece of material through a die and the other was formed by sintering ground particles in a press at high temperatures and pressures for long duration. That alone is valuable Yea, are all sorts of material choices, molecular weights and manufacturing details, but the basic manufacturing principles still create basic attributes in a base which is die extruded versus particle sintered. A die extruded base will have grain slip-plane inconsistencies, less even pore distribution and it is not possible to achieve the porosity in a particle sintered process by using a die extrusion process, all other things being equal.

Yes, essentially pellet melt-and-sheet-roll vs. pellet crushing. Those are the rough processes. However, simply calling a base "sinterred" (for instance) without taking into account the details of that sintered product tells you very little. Sintered bases range from inexpensive to very expensive. Some hold siginficantly more wax than others and often lose that wax more quickly. Some are more brittle than others. Some boards use custom compounds and at times those are excellent and at other times they fail. That is not to mention various compounds and inclusions. The same is true for "extruded".

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10-26-2011, 10:29 AM	#518 (permalink)
frechdaxx Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 37	Hey, I would also love to get a recommendation on which Bataleon to get I'm 6ft and between 165 and 170 pounds. So far I've ridden a Skate Banana 159W with Union Force L/XL for 2 years, which I liked a lot. Right now I feel that I want to do my first steps in the park, and be a little bit more playful when I'm cruising around. I looked into the Evil Twin and the Goliath, but leaning a bit more towards the Goliath. I really want to get a shorter board this time, but don't want to do a too big compromise when it comes to powder and cruising fast on the slopes. I had a Nitro Team TLS 45 1/3 when I bought the banana, but noticed that it was too big and switched down to a 44 Nitro Team TLS. This time I hope, that I can go with a non-wide board. My stance is 12/-12, or 18/-12, I actually don't remember right now Thank you so much for your help! Last edited by frechdaxx; 10-26-2011 at 10:48 AM.

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10-25-2011, 10:27 AM	#511 (permalink)
Himynameissean Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 20	Wiredsport did you maybe miss my question? It's at the top of this page

10-26-2011, 07:59 AM	#516 (permalink)
Himynameissean Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 20	I don't get it you answer everyone else's question but mine, I'll just buy else where I guess?