Ok I just got an SL, but ... I'm finding the board stiffer than I wanted. I wanted a flexible playful board that could still keep up with buddies as we take runs down the mountain. The SL has the all mountain part down, however I'm finding the playful part lacking.
Yes, that is due to my lack of skill. I know people butter/jib with the SL, I can't. I suck. Now until I get better, I want a board that will allow me to learn that :laugh: Maybe it's my weight, I dunno, 135 on a 151 (smallest SL they make).
Graphics are #2 in my book (performance first) but the 2011 EVO graphics, no way. The westmark graphics don't sway me either way for 2011 or 2012, so I can grab a 2011 now for quite cheap.
I've done the searches, and those are the two I've narrowed down to. Also was considering some smokin snowboards, as I ride So Cal so we get some icy groomers from time to time and I like the idea of magne (notice all boards have some sort of grip technology). bigwig/clancy/knaack/mip
if you are going to sell SL then buy EVO. i too love NS quality, construction & finish. it also seems like you still want all mountain capabilities. finally, like NS's dampering system better than Arbor's. so it feels good when landing jumps and not feel to much chatter. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice to be honest with you. you might have to go with the board that gives you better value $ wise.
Well I plan on selling the SL, if that changes your recommendation. I love the fit and finish of the Never Summmer they are solid boards. But I hear great things about the westmark as well.
I'm willing to sacrifice the jib/buttering aspects to retain some stability/all mountain capabilities. But something definitely softer than the SL
I'm trying, trust me. As soon as I try and pull/lean it pulls me right back down. I've tried to find some video instructions but they're all crap, if you have any tips or videos, hook it up!
zero personal experience but a riding buddy rides the westmark and raves about it...says it has "grip tech" ( i think thats the name ) which is kinda like magne traction but only right in front of and behind the bindings...it says it makes it not chatter, and from watching him bomb through some chunky spring snow i believe it
You cant just pull and push and expect to press/butter/whatever. You need to throw your weight into it. Trust me, you throw your weight into either the nose or tail and the board will lock into it. Its freaking reverse camber, come on man.
I'm in a very similar circumstance to the OP...and im trying to decide between these 2 boards as well. Want to be able to bomb down with friends...but still be able to butter and play around when i get board (love east coast *sarcasm*). I'm even lighter than the OP...125...so my 151 custom posi camber is stiff for me. After reading responses...looks like I need to learn a better technique as well
In regards to the boards tho...I was all but going to pull the trigger on the westmark cause its centre reverse (good for buttering), has griptech (good for east coast ice) and reading reviews has good pop and decent damping (not dampening ). However, I still love to carve...and unlike the evo which has micro-cambers...the westmark is just a full reverse...so I dunno how it feels when you lay into a carve. Nothng will beat a full positive for that...but a nice compromise would be nice
However, I still love to carve...and unlike the evo which has micro-cambers...the westmark is just a full reverse...so I dunno how it feels when you lay into a carve. Nothng will beat a full positive for that...but a nice compromise would be nice
I'm not sure if this could be used as a reference when comparing the Westmark and Evo, but I have both the Coda and a NS Heritage. Both boards have good edge hold in icey conditions but the Coda seems to have more bite when I carve.
L3mnhead, thanks for the feedback dude. Diff boards...but its good feedback on the tech itself (RC vs system).
Bite is one thing...i never doubted arbor's mountain system to not have bite...its more the "spring load" feel you get from laying a carve down with a positive camber board...u know what I mean? You initiate the turn and when you locked in you allow the posi camber to push you through (bad explaination)....i dunno if i make any sense... :dunno:
Did you find the micro cambers in the heritage to help with that?
I think the micro camber on the Heritage does help spring or power you through the turn. The Coda's no slouch though. The hybrid bamboo core really has a lot of snap to it. They have a different feel about them, but they both get the job done.
Welp, I just did it. Westmark ordered, for a very good price.
I'm such a gear head (in everything I do, photography, computers, TV, anything). Now I need to unload a 2011 Never Summer SL 151, white topsheet, excellent condition in the buy sell forum (or locally):laugh:
I gotta say, after buying a ton of stuff online, these snowboard ships which i have never heard of ship very quickly. First emage, now acmeclimbing. Within an hour I have a ship notification. That is fast!
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