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post #51 of 133 (permalink) Old 10-03-2012, 01:14 PM
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On your quote, the part about saving money, you can re use scrapped off wax!


Thanks..I did that too...but it's not that wax is expensive...it's just that is basically useless...again unless it's a slushy day...or you're racing.

that said there's no way I'm going to give up waxing...as I said I enjoy it...as I enjoy doing my edges, setting up whatever I'm riding..and so on.

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Thanks..I did that too...but it's not that wax is expensive...it's just that is basically useless...again unless it's a slushy day...or you're racing.

that said there's no way I'm going to give up waxing...as I said I enjoy it...as I enjoy doing my edges, setting up whatever I'm riding..and so on.
Where do you ride at locally here in CA?
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Where do you ride at locally here in CA?
He rides Kirkwood (hence the name). Tahoe.
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He rides Kirkwood (hence the name). Tahoe.
duh lol haven't heard of it though
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A favorite for the off the beaten path boarders. A little far from the lake.
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I had the feeling for a while that waxing was just a piece of info-marketing that worked really well, and noticed a difference in speed only on flats, on a slushy day.
That said, I love to wax my boards the night before a powder day...it's just a ritual of love.

Zardoz no- wax works really well too on slush...but I'm worried that it could bee too toxic. Any info on that?
Well, I'm not a chemist, and my understanding of the distinctions of different PFCs (perfluorinated chemicals) is very limited, but I think Zardoz NOTwax sounds reasonably safe since they actually make that claim. They state that it is perfluoropolyalkylether (PFPAE), which does not appear to be one of the specific dangerous PFCs called out in the Scientific American article. Actually, the stuff sounds interesting, I wasn't aware of it, thanks for sharing. I'll have to do more reading.
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I wax and I notice it. When it needs another wax I can feel it, and as people have said the first place you will notice it is on a flat runout, if you were on 30+ degree slopes all day you would rarely need wax as gravity is helping you get down fast.
I can even be riding and think to myself that heel side is getting a bit sticky, look at the base and sure enough the heel side looks white, go wax the board and its problem solved.
To listen to some in this thread what I am experiencing is some kind of delusional mind trick engineered by the wax makers. Im not that dumb, I wax when I can tell it needs it and for me that happens to be around very 5 days or so.
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So I have a new theory based on some recent unscientific experimenting.

The reason wax feels faster is because you waxed previously. Wax picks up gunk and makes you slow. So you need to wax again to get rid of that gunk.

That's why people can say they never wax at all and feel no difference, and others say there is a huge difference if you go too long without waxing. Both are correct.

If you go waxless and use your edges a lot, you'll notice that your edges don't accumulate that white film after a few days. Some people think that this means your base is dry and you need to wax. This makes no sense, because it scratches off and leaves a film of gunk on your fingernail. It's that gunk that is slowing you down and requiring you to get another wax.
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So I have a new theory based on some recent unscientific experimenting.

The reason wax feels faster is because you waxed previously. Wax picks up gunk and makes you slow. So you need to wax again to get rid of that gunk.

That's why people can say they never wax at all and feel no difference, and others say there is a huge difference if you go too long without waxing. Both are correct.

If you go waxless and use your edges a lot, you'll notice that your edges don't accumulate that white film after a few days. Some people think that this means your base is dry and you need to wax. This makes no sense, because it scratches off and leaves a film of gunk on your fingernail. It's that gunk that is slowing you down and requiring you to get another wax.
That makes a lot of sense.

However, the problem with not waxing is that the gouges in your board will be the only things channeling water when you're flatbasing. If all of your gouges are tip to tail gouges then you'll be fine... it's the horizontal gouges that'll slow you down.

What wax does is fill in the horizontal gouges. Then you HAVE to go over it with a stiff nylon brush tip to tail. That'll open up a ton of micro channels that are moving in the direction you want the board to move.

In other words, you want all of your grooves on the board to be tip to tail so that everything gets channeled tip to tail..

Tires have a similar principle but they're trying to accomplish the opposite of what we are. Tires WANT traction, suction, friction, etc. That's why the more "winter" or "all weather" the tire is, the more noticeable the horizontal grooves are. We want LESS friction, not more. If you have a ton of heelside stops and pick up some rocks while you're doing it then you need the wax to build in some vertical grooves and get rid of the horizontal ones. IF all you do is fill in the scratches with the wax and have a perfectly flat base then you'll have too much suction.. .there won't be anywhere for the water/snow to go. Although to be fair, the point of "scraping" the wax is that you'll naturally get some vertical grooves at the ends of your scraper. (that's why you always scrape from tip to tail).

Waxing without using a brush afterwards will absolutely slow you down because it'll create suction. Suction is the enemy. It's worst when things are slushy because the water can cause suction much more readily than the snow can.

If you're on an unwaxed base that doesn't have any horizontal gashes then you're fine, especially if it's a higher end base that already has micro channels built into it.

Some sintered bases don't come with any microchannels built in or ground in.. so you'll need to add wax and then add in the channels yourself with a brush.

Disclaimer: this is knowledge from my skiing, not snowboarding, but I imagine that for snowboarding it would be even more true considering the increased surface area.

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