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usually radius starts at smaller numbers and goes bigger on a tail...


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Yeah I worded that poorly, The average of those 3 radii is 8.8. I would err on the larger side and go the 10.0 rather than down to 6.5 which will be too hooky for the big fella IMO.
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True.
In Pow it doesn't make much sense. Check out furberg boards, they have radius like 20m on a 176 model which are for 170-210lbs or so. And people say it's easy to turn and fun to ride.
And keep in mind, once you have enough skills, you can turn shorter then specs says.
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Ok Yep understand it now, smaller the number the tighter the turning and more nimble it is, correct?

Will look into donek as well, I have sometime I really do some research as I'm not going till late jan 2013, ETM you'll be there then right? Fairly certain I'm going Niseiko and Rusustsu for 10 days.

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I have checked the furbergs out, not a fan personally.
The radius doesnt matter in pow but you do spend a fair amount of time bombing groomers to get to the pow so its handy to have a board that handles well on hardpack aswell.
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Ok Yep understand it now, smaller the number the tighter the turning and more nimble it is, correct?.
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Will look into donek as well, I have sometime I really do some research as I'm not going till late jan 2013, ETM you'll be there then right? Fairly certain I'm going Niseiko and Rusustsu for 10 days.
Yeah I will be based at rusutsu from jan 21. Ill have a decent quiver of boards so you can test out what Ive been playing with.
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Ok Yep understand it now, smaller the number the tighter the turning and more nimble it is correct?
Smaller radius - tighter turns, less stable at higher speed.
Bigger radius - bigger turns, super stable at high speed.

Keep in mind that that radius is true for non-drifting turns in hardpack or so.
You can turn any board in tighter radius with some drifting(i dont know exact term, hope you understand what i mean) and with losing some speed, and moment of force.
In powder you can turn tighter that listed and it'd be fun.

So don't avoid bigger radius. For example boardercross decks have 14m with 163 cm length.

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I have checked the furbergs out, not a fan personally.
The radius doesnt matter in pow but you do spend a fair amount of time bombing groomers to get to the pow so its handy to have a board that handles well on hardpack aswell.
true =)
That's why i got my donek. You can check the quiver on a last page in "12-13 setup" thread =)
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You can turn any board in tighter radius with some drifting(i dont know exact term, hope you understand what i mean) =)
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Sweet I plan on being there similar time with a mate of mine, probably be in rusutsu for 4 of the 10 days.

Yeah didn't like the ferberg and would rather a board I can use on groomers when going back in. I'll keep searching but I'm really digging that prior.

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yeah sure like sastrugi, or just plain ice. A swallow tail will not give you more stability during high speeds. A swallow tail makes it easier to turn in deep snow, since there is less surface area.
If you are in, or trying to traverse, a 'no fall' zone you will want to have a stiff board with great edgehold. I don't know about the notch, but softish powder boards are not what you want.

btw an airbag will not protect you from rocks
Would the Rome Notch be too much for 30cm -50cm powder
Then what element provides the stability during high speed? Higher stiffness? Longer boards?
The swallow tail is more more speed? or easier turns in chest deep powder?

a stiff board with great edgehold, for instance?? Burton fish? Burton family tree cheetah?
btw whats Nug Raduction that lets you downsize the board?
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Would the Rome Notch be too much for 30cm -50cm powder
Then what element provides the stability during high speed? Higher stiffness? Longer boards?
The swallow tail is more more speed? or easier turns in chest deep powder?
30cm of snow it's still almountain =)) heh
Rome notch will be fine, but i'd try to find something different for that sum.

I've never tried the swallowtail, but i will this or next year, and buy one.
But as i understand the physics, the stablilty comes from longer effective edge. The longer the edge, the faster you can go, that works everywhere.
You need stiffer tail and softer nose. Softer nose will bend and float up onto the snow, and the stiffer tail will tend to sank down. Also this slash helps to keep tail longer but with smaller square, this makes edges longer, but tail sinks and let the nose go up.

All of this results in higher speeds, more stability and flotation. If you can keep your weight on a front foot you can turn something like Undertaker 185 or 198 in pow quite quickly.

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a stiff board with great edgehold, for instance?? Burton fish? Burton family tree cheetah?
btw whats Nug Raduction that lets you downsize the board?
NO =)
You gotta take a look at Never Summer Raptor, NS Summt (for pow), Prior Pow-stick, Prior BX(tons of edge hold, really), Apo swallowtail etc...
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