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Sassicaia 11-01-2012 04:46 PM

New board to fill a gap
 
Last year i learned that if you board a lot you need more then one depending on the snow and type of boarding you need to do. I also learned the limitation of my board.

I'm a freeride boarder that spends 0 time in the park. Ill sometimes hike for powder and wont shy away from much in terms of snow conditions.

I currently ride a Burton Mystery which is a rocker camber hybrid that is lots of fun and great when im fooling around, jumping, in powder or taking it easy when out with my GF. The limitation of that board becomes apparent when charging, or doing serious carves. I want something that I can freeride on which can handle most snow conditions, goes fast, is great for carving, has decent dampening and can handle tree runs, so its has to have decent transition ability. I have narrowed it down to a few based on reading alone, but would like some feedback if possible from people who have gone after the same thing, or if I should look at it from a different perspective completely.

Here is what's on my list:
Jones Carbon Flagship
Burton Vapor
Burton Custom X
Never Summer Cobra

Thoughts?

Toomeyct 11-01-2012 04:53 PM

I have a NS Heritage X 163 that I use for freeriding. Compared to the other boards I've used it is great. Now from my understanding with the NS line, the Raptor is even better at charging when compared to the heritage and the Cobra is better in powder. Not sure how the cobra compares to the heritage in terms of charging things. So if either of those boards are better at freeriding than the heritage, and as far as I can tell, its pretty great. You probably can't go wrong with either of those boards.

I have no experience with the burton boards or the jones. Though I did mess around with one of the jones carbon flagships at the Further movie premier I went to. Looked like a great board and was crazy stiff so it would probably be pretty fun as a hard charging board.

genebike 11-01-2012 05:04 PM

You're describing the best use for a Custom X. I own one and love riding it the way you're describing. Balls out. Not a forgiving stick, but when you get on it, the performance is there.

Nivek 11-01-2012 05:30 PM

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Jones Carbon Flagship
Burton Vapor
Burton Custom X
Never Summer Cobra

Thoughts?

Overkill. Pointless. Not Bad. Meh.

Ride Highlife, Flow Maverick, K2 Slayblade, Salomon Mans Board, Nitro Blacklight, or Bataleon Enemy.

RaID 11-01-2012 06:03 PM

From the NS line up id be looking at the:
Heritage, Raptor or Premier F1 (if you want something very damp)

It really depends on how much you want this board to be freeride orientated instead of being more versatile towards the all mountain like the Cobra.

hktrdr 11-01-2012 08:05 PM

Unless the new model/carbon version is much different from last year's board the Jones is not a damp deck. Also does not really fit your stated needs.

From your list, probably the Custom X if you can live with the limitations in powder performance.

tdn 11-01-2012 08:29 PM

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Ill sometimes hike for powder and wont shy away from much in terms of snow conditions.

I'd cross the Burton Custom X off your list.

Off the top of my head the Ride Highlife or NeverSummer Heritage sound like they're made for you.

$.02

Sassicaia 11-01-2012 08:39 PM

All great posts...thanks


I'm keeping the Burton Mystery which is a pretty good powder board as far as non powder dedicated boards go. Really the only powder my second board would need to be able to handle would what ever fell on groomed runs. If there was a big dump of fresh new snow id be going with my Mystery.

Im strongly leaning towards the Custom X based on feedback and the fact that I wouldn't need to get a second pair of bindings since my current ones are EST.

No votes for the Vapor? Lets assume they were the same price...would the custom still be a better board then the Vapor? Im purely going for performance...i dont care about the cost. If the Custom X is a better board then great, but if not id prefer to just buy the best for what Im looking to achieve.

tdn 11-01-2012 08:43 PM

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In that case the Custom X is a good choice. If you were to rely on it only after some serious hiking to hit up some powder, I'd much rather have another board. I haven't ridden the vapor or know anyone who has one, so I'll let others chime in on that particular comparison.

Lamps 11-01-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassicaia (Post 533455)
All great posts...thanks

I'm keeping the Burton Mystery which is a pretty good powder board as far as non powder dedicated boards go. Really the only powder my second board would need to be able to handle would what ever fell on groomed runs. If there was a big dump of fresh new snow id be going with my Mystery.

Im strongly leaning towards the Custom X based on feedback and the fact that I wouldn't need to get a second pair of bindings since my current ones are EST.

No votes for the Vapor? Lets assume they were the same price...would the custom still be a better board then the Vapor? Im purely going for performance...i dont care about the cost. If the Custom X is a better board then great, but if not id prefer to just buy the best for what Im looking to achieve.

I've been riding Vapors for four years and I have a two board setup of very similar style so I'll add a few thoughts. Cambered board is the vapor and hybrid board is Sherlock, two pairs of C60 bindings (thinking of swapping these for two pairs of diodes - thoughts on that are welcome).

I live in Ontario and make a couple trips to Whistler each year, and I am a near zero park person except the occasional small jump and playing near the bottom of the pipe.

In the east my primary board is the Vapor and when out west I mostly ride the Sherlock. In Ontario the Sherlock comes out when there's fresh snow or warmer temps, or in the afternoons on sunny days.

While I haven't ridden the Mystery I demo'd the Method for two full days so I have a pretty good understanding of a similar board. I chose the sherlock over the Method because it was a little more powder/soft snow oriented and I already have the Vapor for other conditons. Unfortunately I haven't ridden the Custom X.

I think that if you are tip top rider and are looking for board that will handle the steepest of steeps at Mach 10 and the hardest hard pack and some ice too then the custom X will marginally perform better while you are driving through crazy technical carves, and if you're that good (which is really good) you'll be able to push the custom X past the performance envelope for the Vapor everywhere other than doing massive airs in the pipe. Poutine guy, the king of the T7 might be such a rider, and with the T7 gone the Custom X is his next best choice in the Burton line.

If you're not that tip top carving maniac of a rider you might like the vapor more. It weighs nothing, is still a pretty stiff board, has fandamtastic edge hold, it's a perfect companion to a flying V shape in that if fills the gap (custom X probably does too). Like the custom x it's not a board that you can just dick around on and stay upright but if you push it, it's there for you. On a five day trip last year I rode the sherlock the first four days in soft snow and with the last day looking like all groomers i went back to the Vapor, which after 30 feet on the flats I caught an edge and it tossed me the ground to remind me that I wasn't on some happy skatey hybrid anymore. With that reminder done for the rest of the day I had a great time charging along down the corduroy, and later in the day slicing through the choppy crap (this will be true with the custom X too).

Based on specs the vapor might be a little better in the trees than the custom X, due to a slightly narrower side cut but I'd think that the Mystery would be the best choice there (other than the sherlock which turns on a dime with its extra deep sidecut).

Burton says the Vapor is more refined than the Custom X, and while I can't say for sure till I demo a custom X I can get what they mean; presumably it's not quite as twitchy. It may be a little less precise but I can tell you that I myself find it pretty damn precise when paired with a stiff binding.

I suspect that going forward I'll swap the sherlock for some different iteration, but as long as the Vapor's in the line I'll be keeping with it, it's a great cambered board, light weight, pretty stiff, super fast, carves real good.

So there's a long counterpoint to the various Custom X endorsements. And of course the best thing to do is try them both and then decide. I suspect the differences will be slight, and either will be way better than the Mystery when the conditions are not Mystery suited.


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