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#1 · (Edited)
Need some help with buying my new setup / Setting up my bindings

First of all i wanna say HI to all snowlovers here and explain that i'm new on forum so if im makin this thread in wrong place please dont kill me, couldnt find any better spot to post it, or maybe im just blind. Also my english is not perfect but i hope it's not gonna be a problem.

soo.. im planning to buy new stuff for this year, im mostly doing freeride , but i like to do something in the park as well, im not so often on slopes but anyway i think i need some all mountain setup, right? so here we go.. im 193 cm/85 kg and thats the stuff i want to buy

board - BURTON Bullet Wide 2013 164 cm
bindings - BURTON Cartel R 2013 Binding darkar noir
boots - BURTON Moto Boots black/white
goggles - OAKLEY Splice Goggle jet black / persimmon

so thats mostly burton setup + oakley goggles, because im burton nerd and i know oakley is makin solid goggles

i know that this stuff is good for intermediate like me (correct me if im wrong), but the questions are :

- does that equipment fits with eachother ?
- bindings and boots, good for freeride?
- is it worth that price or maybe you can suggest something better for same price?
- any1 tried those boots? are they ok?
- how about goggles lens colour? i have no freakin idea how to chose it, i need some for freeride/park mostly
- actually you can tell me anything about that equipment if you have tried it, would be nice to hear some opinions (i did read a lot about all these thing in internet, but its always ok to read some more)

and 1 more bonus question, what you think is better to cover face from freezing, mask or neckwarmer? i used only some shitty stuff so i have no idea whats better, i want to buy one of those :

BURTON 1 Layer Low Facemask true black

or

BURTON 1 Layer Exp Neckwarmer Scarf true black

any opinions?

if you think that its to much money for not advanced rider and i should get smth cheaper - not. i just want to buy stuff for many many years, i want to spend that ammount of money for good equipment to not change it for long time

humm.. thats a big post, i hope i wrote all the info you need to help me, ill be very thankfull for any opinions/ideas!

thanks in advance !
 
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#2 ·
Not sure on the board/bindings/boots, but regarding the goggles:

It really depends on where you ride most of the time and what the light conditions are. Up here in the Pacific Northwest, we get a lot of overcast/cloudy days leading to flat light. In those conditions, you want an amber or pink/rose or yellow tinted lens with high light transmission (the Oakley Persimmon is good for that). If you board somewhere where you get a lot of sunny, bluebird type days, you'll want something that blocks more light (look into the mirrored lenses). I used to rock Oakley A-frames with Persimmon lenses and they were great, but on really sunny days I went with sunglasses for better glare reduction and healthier for the eyes.

I am also a guy that sweats easily, so fogging was always an issue with cheaper goggles. I went to the Oakleys ($100 vs. $40) and had a big improvement, although after a few years they started fogging more. I am getting new goggles myself and going with Smith I/OX...really sweet, interchangable lenses (big for me up here with our variable conditions) and super-fog free. But also very expensive.
 
#3 ·
ive never been a fan of goggles, the frames on my face annoy me and they kind of restrict vision (you can see the frames usually). if you don't fall much id suggest sunglasses. oakleys work great, the lenses are interchangeable, so you can match them to conditions easily and replace them if they break. the earpieces also snap out, usually before they break. if they do break they are replaceable as well though.
 
#4 ·
well i love to jump some in forest, make some gaps etc, i dont like goggles either, but i just need them

anyway thanks for help and waiting for some more :)
goggles are not that important for me tbh, some posts about rest of equipment would be nice !
 
#5 ·
I think that's a good setup for an intermediate rider.

Note that the board is full rocker so it will turn easily but might not have the best edge hold in icy or hardpack conditions.

Also do you have big feet - that is what the bullet is designed for.
 
#6 ·
yeah i do, i have about 31 cm so i need nr 49, could take 48 but better to take a bit bigger than to small

im not so deep in snowboard brands, thats why i decided to buy mostly burton stuff cause i know its always trustfull, but as i read '2012/2013 setup pics' thread, there is not so many people using burton boards/boots, why ? is there so many better brands or its about graphic or ? i thought that burton and libtech are leading in snowboard business, but seems like i have just typical nerdy knowledge about this

if you guys have any ideas about taking some other brand board for 300-400 euro, that could be better - go ahead

thats a lot of money for me which i will spend for equipment so i really need your help lads!
 
#48 ·
Here's the deal:
Years ago their were shit companies and shit product/decks. For the most part those companies have come and gone.

Pretty much all the major brands are solid these days.

This forum is pretty much going to answer every other board question - Proto, SL, evo, or heritage.

There ARE other brands.

If you want a Burton, get a burton.

Go ride your board and have a good time.

As an FYI, "supra" I believe has a sherlock.. PM him.
 
#8 ·
the problem is that i cant try them cause i dont have any shops near my town where they have my sizes, so i have to order

what do you think about burton motos btw? and should i check for some other brand board with same price or that full burton setup seems to be good enough ?
 
#10 ·
soo.. im planning to buy new stuff for this year, im mostly doing freeride , but i like to do something in the park as well, im not so often on slopes but anyway i think i need some all mountain setup, right? so here we go.. im 193 cm/85 kg and thats the stuff i want to buy

i know that this stuff is good for intermediate like me (correct me if im wrong), but the questions are :

- does that equipment fits with eachother ?
- bindings and boots, good for freeride?
- is it worth that price or maybe you can suggest something better for same price?
- any1 tried those boots? are they ok?
- how about goggles lens colour? i have no freakin idea how to chose it, i need some for freeride/park mostly
- actually you can tell me anything about that equipment if you have tried it, would be nice to hear some opinions (i did read a lot about all these thing in internet, but its always ok to read some more)

and 1 more bonus question, what you think is better to cover face from freezing, mask or neckwarmer? i used only some shitty stuff so i have no idea whats better, i want to buy one of those

thanks in advance !
Wow that's a lot of questions for one thread! Welcome to the club anyway...

Okay, so first off, Freeride and Park are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Freeride is basically riding all over the mountain, a lot of powder, off-piste, carving, with the occasional backcountry jump. It heavily favours stiffer setups. Park needs a medium to soft setup. So before we get too into the suggestions. Lets determine your riding style. I do about 90% freeride, 5% playing around doing side jumps/hits, and 5% park. So for me a freeride setup is perfect.

The other thing is, your height isn't that important in figuring out board size, foot size is important. And unless you have US/CAN Size 12+ feet, you likely don't need a wide board. Unless you NEED a wide board, you don't WANT a wide board. Trust me.

As for the face cover, I use one of the half masks that covers my nose, lips and chin, and it velcro's behind my neck. Keeps me plenty warm on ice cold days.

ive never been a fan of goggles, the frames on my face annoy me and they kind of restrict vision (you can see the frames usually). if you don't fall much id suggest sunglasses. oakleys work great, the lenses are interchangeable, so you can match them to conditions easily and replace them if they break. the earpieces also snap out, usually before they break. if they do break they are replaceable as well though.
As a guy who goes more than 20 km/h on the snow, and who HAS fallen on his face several times over the years, I strongly suggest goggles over sunglasses. With even the best fitting sunglasses you're going to tear up once you get any speed at all, and I'd be worried about protecting my eyes going headfirst into snow with a pair of sunglasses on.

I landed head first one night after I over rotated in the air, and my goggles were probably the first to hit. The lens cracked in half but stayed together protecting my face from most of the impact.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Wow that's a lot of questions for one thread! Welcome to the club anyway...

Okay, so first off, Freeride and Park are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Freeride is basically riding all over the mountain, a lot of powder, off-piste, carving, with the occasional backcountry jump. It heavily favours stiffer setups. Park needs a medium to soft setup. So before we get too into the suggestions. Lets determine your riding style. I do about 90% freeride, 5% playing around doing side jumps/hits, and 5% park. So for me a freeride setup is perfect.

The other thing is, your height isn't that important in figuring out board size, foot size is important. And unless you have US/CAN Size 12+ feet, you likely don't need a wide board. Unless you NEED a wide board, you don't WANT a wide board. Trust me.

As for the face cover, I use one of the half masks that covers my nose, lips and chin, and it velcro's behind my neck. Keeps me plenty warm on ice cold days.
hey, thanks for helping me !
and yeah, thats a lot of text but i want to spend my cash perfectly, you know, first good setup - always a lot of things to consider

my foot is 13/14, 48/49 euro so yes - i need a wide fat board

about my riding style, i would say its close to yours, mostly freeriding, but i want to jump some in forest also, but its not like i want to spend half of day in the park, so we can say i need a freeride setup as well with a bit of freestyle. what would you suggest then? what you think about eq that i posted in first wall of text?



and about face cover, seems like facemask will be good, i just wanted to know if that neckwarmer works same as facemask, if it covers face well, but from other hand why should i take neckwarmer if i need cover on face, and facemask gives me both cover on face and on neck as well, so we can cut off this question

You really need to try the boots on. Motos are one of the most popular boots around but I had some, heat molded by the shop and my feet still really hurt. I've now got some Salomon boots that are really comfortable for a whole day riding.
yeah i understand that, but if i have no opportunity to do that, and closest shop having my sizes is like 600 km away, what can i do ? nothing, just hoping for them to be ok when i order :) shoping clothes in sweden for big guys is hard, they dont have a lot of them. anyway ill try to catch some shop where i can try boots first, gonna be hard though
 
#14 ·
thanks man thats the help i needed.

honcho seems to be nice board, why would you prefer honcho instead of bullet? because of flex scale only?

2 next boards are a bit expensive and here comes my question again, if price comes to 500-600 euro, isnt it better to buy libtech board for example?

or is it better to have whole setup from 1 brand? i like burton but it doesnt mean that i want burton stuff only, i just feel like i can trust that brand whatever i buy

and btw those 2 boards are channel boards, so then i have to change bindings as well for est, but i think i dont need channel type

so if i will get that stiff setup which is best for freeride, will it handle some moves on park as well if ill decide to try it? i just need a board for everything, but mostly for freeride lets say

and also question about setup i chose (bullet + cartel + motos) , im just curious - would it handle freeride? even if its not so stiff etc?
 
#15 ·
1) honcho seems to be nice board, why would you prefer honcho instead of bullet? because of flex scale only?

2) 2 next boards are a bit expensive and here comes my question again, if price comes to 500-600 euro, isnt it better to buy libtech board for example?

3) or is it better to have whole setup from 1 brand? i like burton but it doesnt mean that i want burton stuff only, i just feel like i can trust that brand whatever i buy

4) and btw those 2 boards are channel boards, so then i have to change bindings as well for est, but i think i dont need channel type

5) so if i will get that stiff setup which is best for freeride, will it handle some moves on park as well if ill decide to try it? i just need a board for everything, but mostly for freeride lets say

6) and also question about setup i chose (bullet + cartel + motos) , im just curious - would it handle freeride? even if its not so stiff etc?
1) Honcho is cambered instead of rocker, better for freeride IMHO... Stiffer + camber = less chatter, better edge hold, better high speed stability

2) I don't think libtech is any better than Burton at the high end. I'm riding a $1000 burton board that libtech doesn't make anything like...

3) No need to keep all the same brand, nothing wrong with having all three components from three different brands if each one is the right piece for the system

4) Yeah, the cartel's are available in EST/Channel though so that's no big deal. Only thing I regret about buying a complete EST setup a few years ago is not being able to take the excellent bindings and slap them on an exotic freeride board from Germany. I ended up having to find Burton non-EST bindings for that purpose.

5) I ride the stiffest board, boots, bindings in Burton's lineup, and I still do "butter" moves, jump, etc. I just don't do any rails (not my thing)...

6) Nothing wrong with the setup you chose, except the bindings are significantly stiffer than the board and boots. They're a little overkill. You'd also start running into the board as a limiting factor if you got into some higher speed carving. With a medium to stiff board it'll handle the speed way better.
 
#16 ·
so its more about stiff board than boots right? eg its better to buy honcho + motos than bullet + ambushes?

and one more thing, do you see anything good also instead of bullet/honcho in price up to 400 euro?

thanks for all the posts btw, helped a lot
 
#17 ·
No problem, it's about the stiffer combo, not just two of the three. I would decide on what it is you really want, then try to find a better price. Those prices seem to be quite high!

Ideally you'd want all of the components to be within a couple points on the flex rating.
 
#18 ·
well i think i cant spend more cash on board, for sure i will take cartels + ambushes if they will still have my size, and if you suggest to take honcho i think ill do it, dunno why i like that bullet one but maybe thats because of graphics ^^ will check if i can spend some more cash so maybe i can get some better board

btw where do you check flex ratings? and also i dont understand that last sentece so good - 'Ideally you'd want all of the components to be within a couple points on the flex rating.'

you mean i want all components to be in close flex rating right?
 
#19 ·
you mean i want all components to be in close flex rating right?
Yeah exactly, so the honcho might not be the best choice either. Honcho 3, Cartel 7, Moto 3. I'd say get a good old Burton Custom binding which has a feel rating of 4 as a better match.

A complete setup with 5-7 feel rating would be ideal but might be a lot more expensive.

Feel ratings: http://ca.burton.com/mens-snowboards/mens-boards,default,sc.html better to google "Burton" from your country and go to the Burton Europe website methinks.
 
#49 ·
i think i have enough opinions about sherlock atm, checked on the google and here on forum as well

its more like i need some opinions on volkl dice now, cause i really like this board. what they write in description here is all me

both boards will be good, but seems like dice was designed for people doing exactly what i do, riding powder and having fun with some jumps in the forest, but sometimes trying park as well + they are specially designed for tall ppl like me
and price is good so i can spend cash for better boots

any experience with rulers guys?
 
#22 ·
ok i see

do you have any experience with channel boards? are they better for intermediate? or they work good only for advenced riders? are there any negatives about channel system or positives only?

i see that there are some good prices on sherlock's from 2012, like that -

BURTON Sherlock 2012 163cm

what do you think?

// its not wide version but still you can take a look on that, just in case ill find same board but wide
 
#23 ·
I have this board and really like it. I think that it is a good board for intermediate riders, it is pretty easy to turn and has a hybrid shape so it doesn't catch edges as easily as a regular cambered boards. It is a great board in soft snow and powder, however it is not a great board for icy or very hard packed conditions so it depends on where you ride.

It doesn't matter your skill level when it comes to the channel.

I really like the channel and EST system, it is simple, and very easily adjusted. Some people don't like it b/c they worry that with only two screws it might slip, I have not had this problem myself.

Some people don't like EST/Channel because it means that you have to have burton board and burton bindings or use extra plates to convert (or a few others now use the system too).
 
#24 ·
yeah its pretty strange that only 2 screws can hold it well

but anyway i found only 1 opinion in the inet where guy was complaining about EST, all others loves channel system so it seems to be good one

question from other hand, why ppl hate burton ? i dont see any hates on other brands, but burton ^^ just curious you know
 
#27 ·
You are an All-Mountain freerider. You stick to the groomed runs, trees, and powder when you can get it.

In that case, stay away from all pure rocker boards. Those are park boards. They'll be too soft, have less pop, and won't hold an edge as well as the hybrid or full camber shapes.

The Sherlock you suggested is a much better fit for what you do. Another good option might be a Rossignol One Magtech. I liked that board when I demoed it. Great edge hold. Decent all around board for intermediate. I ended up with a Never Summer SL. I doubt you can find it over there though and it's out of your price range.
 
#36 ·
The product info says it's meant for a experienced/pro rider. I've never been on one so I can't talk. Some guys love the C2BTX profile but I'd rather my snowboard have a camber profile than something resembling a snake.

I still think the Volkl would be a better board for the money.
 
#38 ·
dice is like 130 euro cheaper than sherlock, but would you suggest dice over sherlock?
In short, yes.

Nothing wrong with the Sherlock, they both have triaxial fibreglass but it looks like the volkl has more carbon fibre in it.

I suspect build quality would be at LEAST as good on the Volkl if not much better. I love my Burton but the topsheet is very easily chipped.

Put it this way: I'm looking at replacing my Burton T7 with a Volkl Coal XT (among other things)...
 
#40 ·
i dont want to change the board for next few years at least so i just wonder if volkl is solid brand enough to trust and buy a bit cheaper board from them instead of sure thing that sherlock is
Völkl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They're owned by the same parent company that owns K2, Coleman, Rawlings, and a bunch of other brands. So they're not just some one off company.

The boards are made in Germany, while I believe most of Burtons stuff is made in China. I'm thrilled with my Burton but it was made in Vermont, USA.

I think the Volkl is at least as trustworthy as Burton as a brand, but I've never owned one.

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/equipment-reviews/710-what-company-makes-best-snowboards-why.html There are three posts about Volkls in that thread and everyone loves them...

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boards/27396-volkl-boards.html there's another thread about them...
 
#43 ·
yeah im glad that i asked first on forum, otherwise i wouldnt know how to choose setup right. tbh i thought its a bit easier

but if you say volkl gonna be good choice, i think ill take it. then i can spend cash on some gear or maybe better boots

but still that sherlock with channel system looks fuckin sweet as well xD
 
#44 ·
but if you say volkl gonna be good choice, i think ill take it. then i can spend cash on some gear or maybe better boots

but still that sherlock with channel system looks fuckin sweet as well xD
I think that's a great plan (using the extra to buy great boots)...

I do really like the EST system though, it's nice to have essentially infinite adjustment. 4x4 systems work fine as long as you can get the bindings centred well on the board. Volkls seem to have lots of inserts so you shouldn't have a problem getting close to ideal stance width.
 
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