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Old 12-27-2012, 03:57 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If the Cobra has the same dampness and flex of the SL - but with the added benefit of Carbonium and a better powder riding experience, isn't it then a SL board, with the benefits of Proto tips, and better powder?

Essentially it's an "SL +1"?

I get the feeling some are saying it's mainly a powder rider... 95% of my riding isn't in powder... so the SL or proto would be better... however if I can get a board that combines the two with some extra... it seems like a good choice?
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The SL is my go-to board. Great in the powder and great for natural hits.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:18 PM   #43 (permalink)
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If the Cobra has the same dampness and flex of the SL - but with the added benefit of Carbonium and a better powder riding experience, isn't it then a SL board, with the benefits of Proto tips, and better powder?

Essentially it's an "SL +1"?

I get the feeling some are saying it's mainly a powder rider... 95% of my riding isn't in powder... so the SL or proto would be better... however if I can get a board that combines the two with some extra... it seems like a good choice?
No. The Cobra has a different nose/tail shape than the SL, which is a twin with setback and I believe directional flex. The Cobra is not a twin at all, it has a spoon nose and spaded tail for powder.

I don't understand people leaning toward the Cobra for a quiver killer at all. I'd ride one, but it would only come out on DEEP days. I weigh 175lbs and can ride my 54 proto in pretty deep snow. This thead has devolved after the very first page into complete overthinking and wrong thinking imo.

Linvillegorge was spot on in the first place. Even the Heritage would be a better choice than the Cobra imo.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:27 PM   #44 (permalink)
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No. The Cobra has a different nose/tail shape than the SL, which is a twin with setback and I believe directional flex. The Cobra is not a twin at all, it has a spoon nose and spaded tail for powder.
Sorry, I was thinking one thing and typing another.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:00 PM   #45 (permalink)
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If the Cobra has the same dampness and flex of the SL - but with the added benefit of Carbonium and a better powder riding experience, isn't it then a SL board, with the benefits of Proto tips, and better powder?

Essentially it's an "SL +1"?

I get the feeling some are saying it's mainly a powder rider... 95% of my riding isn't in powder... so the SL or proto would be better... however if I can get a board that combines the two with some extra... it seems like a good choice?
It depends on what you were planning the to use the SL for. I got the SL as a park board that was pretty good on the slopes as well. Initial reviews of the Cobra make me think the Cobra is going to be better than the SL for what "most people" actually do on the SL... ride groomers, get some air off of natural features, butter a little on the flatter slopes, and ride powder.

I say "actually do" because a lot of people believe they need a twin board to do any type of freestyle tricks... just like people buy an SUV or a pickup truck imaging themselves to be some type of off-roading tough outdoors men... when in reality they are mostly driving to the office and buying groceries.

While I do think the Cobra will be miles better in powder than the Proto ... I laugh at the idea that the Cobra is mainly a powder riding board... boards like the Never Summer Summit, Burton Fish, Prior Khyber (all of which I've ridden) are true powder specific boards... the Cobra shape is just more powder friendly than your old-school true twin. The Proto is not "bad" in powder (virtually no modern board is "bad" in powder now a days)... but it is not particularly good in powder either.

Remember, I'm saying all of this even though the Proto is the board I rode most often last season... it's just that I was riding in the park most of the day. It wouldn't be the board I would grab for free riding with friends or on a powder day.

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:38 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I think you should wait until you get to Whistler.

There are so many pro riders that get shit loads of free boards that live in Whistler. They could care less how much they get for that free board.

Have a little look in the Whistler Craigslist, maybe a few days before you leave check it out, find a couple you like, research them, then when you get there, pull the trigger.

You'll probably save a few hundred $$$, if your not set on a specific brand.

A couple months ago I bought a Ride Slackcountry with Ride EX bindings for $150, that's a $1000 setup.
Then I got him to sell me a pair of 2013 Ride El Hefe's(reg $400) for $100.

In about ten min I'm leaving to drive 2 hours each way, to go buy a pair of brand new 2013 Ride RFL boots for... Ready... $100 bucks.

Trying to find the perfect board before you by it, is almost impossible IMO.
You'll end up payin' way more & you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I just snapped the Slackcountry after riding it for 30 feet, I never even got to try it. It broke my heart as well, I really wanted it to be my go to powder slaying monster deck.
But @ least it didn't cost me an arm & a leg

Worst case scenario, you get to try a board a while, sell it for more than what you paid & buy something else.

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So even though it's a 151 with your weight, it would rock the powder.

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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There are so many pro riders that get shit loads of free boards that live in Whistler. They could care less how much they get for that free board.

I just snapped the Slackcountry after riding it for 30 feet, I never even got to try it.
You just learned something I learned a decade ago when going to a pro rider swap sale during the summer at Mt. Hood... a lot of those boards the pro riders are selling, if used, have the crap ridden out of them... and that's part of the reason why they are so cheap.

Pro riders are generally very poor and are not stupid (well not THAT stupid)... they generally try to get as much money as possible for the board in the minimum amount of effort.

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In about ten min I'm leaving to drive 2 hours each way, to go buy a pair of brand new 2013 Ride RFL boots for... Ready... $100 bucks.
So 4 hours of driving... at roughly 70 miles an hour = 280 miles, assuming you get 20 miles per gallon (sorry not going to switch to metric), that's 14 gallon... at $4 USD a gallon, that's $56 USD in gas. And... if you worked a minimum wage job at $10 an hour, that's another $40 - so the true cost of those boots is about $200 - that's a decent deal... but it took extremely measures to get that deal (you could get roughly the same discount if you bought last year's model... and rarely does something improve so dramatically the next year).

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Old 12-27-2012, 07:29 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I think you should wait until you get to Whistler.

There are so many pro riders that get shit loads of free boards that live in Whistler. They could care less how much they get for that free board.

Have a little look in the Whistler Craigslist, maybe a few days before you leave check it out, find a couple you like, research them, then when you get there, pull the trigger.

You'll probably save a few hundred $$$, if your not set on a specific brand.

A couple months ago I bought a Ride Slackcountry with Ride EX bindings for $150, that's a $1000 setup.
Then I got him to sell me a pair of 2013 Ride El Hefe's(reg $400) for $100.

In about ten min I'm leaving to drive 2 hours each way, to go buy a pair of brand new 2013 Ride RFL boots for... Ready... $100 bucks.

Trying to find the perfect board before you by it, is almost impossible IMO.
You'll end up payin' way more & you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I just snapped the Slackcountry after riding it for 30 feet, I never even got to try it. It broke my heart as well, I really wanted it to be my go to powder slaying monster deck.
But @ least it didn't cost me an arm & a leg

Worst case scenario, you get to try a board a while, sell it for more than what you paid & buy something else.

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Full rocker, & magna-traction. I just got banana a while ago, a 156, I usually ride @ least a 160 & I was surprised how well it rode in the powder.
So even though it's a 151 with your weight, it would rock the powder.

Pretty damn good Ice coast stick as well


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Interesting. Didn't think of that. The only board I ever got from a pro rider was given to me for free at a Red Bull contest. I asked Brian Thien if he wanted his board... he gave me the board and Smith Goggles he had. Was a Sims FR. Was actually a great board. I loved the flex and playfullness of it.
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Personally, I'd go Proto. Decent float in powder, blunted tips mean you can downsize without giving up effective edge length, and similar flex profile to the SL - not too stiff to play and not too soft to bomb.

The Cobra doesn't make much sense for you if the majority of your riding is on the east coast. It's basically a playful powder stick. Sucks for riding switch and I found it to be twitchy on groomers.

The Heritage is a great board, but again, for primarily east coast riding, I think it's just too much stick.

The SL is a great all-around board, but I prefer the blunted tips of the Proto. IMHO, the Proto pretty much made the SL all but obsolete.

If you really want a great powder performer, you can always demo a true pow stick when you go out west if you get lucky and get a truly deep powder day.
What size would you suggest for me? The store that I contacted only had a 154. I was thinking a 152 would be better for my size.
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You just learned something I learned a decade ago when going to a pro rider swap sale during the summer at Mt. Hood... a lot of those boards the pro riders are selling, if used, have the crap ridden out of them... and that's part of the reason why they are so cheap.

So 4 hours of driving... at roughly 70 miles an hour = 280 miles, assuming you get 20 miles per gallon (sorry not going to switch to metric), that's 14 gallon... at $4 USD a gallon, that's $56 USD in gas. And... if you worked a minimum wage job at $10 an hour, that's another $40 - so the true cost of those boots is about $200.

I normally only buy new boards, unless they are stupid cheap. The Slackcountry was basically brand new, it didn't have a scratch.
& I'll agree with what your saying. The guy I'm buying the boots off, is the same guy as all the other shit.
Apparently, this guy is a photographer. He lives in a big fancy house & has a garage full of brand new gear. I don't really care if he is or not. Garage full of gear, he's my guy.

Pro's aren't the only ones sellin' shit for cheap in Whistler, people are given decks as promo's, & there are lots of spoiled kids that just don't have a clue or give a shit.

I've been snowboarding for 25 years, this isn't new to me. If you were to pay full price for the amount of boards I ride in a season, well, you better be high rollin'. I mean really high rollin', I've already gone through about 6 or 7 boards & this will be my 4th pair of boots.
Were just under a month in & I got 4 maybe 5 more to go.
I just don't like forkin' out large anymore, I'd rather @ least make a little to try tonnes of new gear.

It's as much of a hassle, as it is to go buy a new board. Probably less, I don't do as much research.

Actually it's more like 1.5 hours each way, but if I were to buy them locally it's an hour drive.
& thank god, I got rid of the gas whore 5.9 liter Dodge Ram truck I had, those boots would work out to be about $400. My little Sunfire should do it for about $20-$25.

So, say $125 for $360 pair of bootties, how's that bad?

I don't like working in the winter, it takes away from my snowboarding.
I work long & hard in the other seasons so I don't have to in the winter.

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