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Old 01-16-2013, 02:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Im tipping that the big difference between the custom x and hotknife is the magne traction and the camber profiles, they would have more of an impact on board speed than anything else.
That does make a difference but not more than wax
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That does make a difference but not more than wax
The amount of surface area in contact with the snow at a time most certainly does make more of a difference than the type or amount of wax used.
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Im tipping that the big difference between the custom x and hotknife is the magne traction and the camber profiles, they would have more of an impact on board speed than anything else.
Ive only ridding a gnu riders choice once, but I have a TRS on the way(should be here in a week!!), but riding the gnu, i may agree with you.

the banana tech + magna trx gave me a mega quick responsive feel. But to really barrel down the straights, i had a feeling it was going to take some time to dial in pressure just right to get it to fly.

I hear the sintered base on the TRS is quite fast. I got a 155, and Im coming from a burton supermodel 159. I anticipate some serious speed drop at first, but with some days together Im sure we'll be rippin down right.
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I was told by a specialist shop that most factory done structuring isn't great, a proper grind might make a difference.
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I was told by a specialist shop that most factory done structuring isn't great, a proper grind might make a difference.
your specialist shop is out of their minds
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I've had my NS proto ct up to 70mph. Hope to break 80 this year but it's getting hard to find good groomers. All I do is wax every 3 days and anything is plenty fast
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The amount of surface area in contact with the snow at a time most certainly does make more of a difference than the type or amount of wax used.
Let me explain this to you instead of arguing in one line sentences like yourself my friend.
What your saying is like saying how big a car is, is more important to its movement then it having spinning wheels. Like wax the wheel was the incredible invention that kept momentum and gained speed down hill. How is a vehicle suppose to break friction and gain speed at any size without spinning rubber tires are the equivalent to your wax on your board. This is the only thing for the board that's touching snow to start breaking friction and carry speed. Whether you push a large or a small object down hill they will both have the ability to move very fast with spinning tires on axel on ground or surface wax on snow. Large or small a snowboard with a sweet wax job will fly. Take the Wax off a board or remove tires from a vehicle, no matter what the size it is, it will barely move.
This is why Snowboarder's and Skier's have what are called wax techs not board size techs. Although I'm in no way saying surface area and size donesn't matter, I'm just saying nothing's moving with much speed on snow with out something to help break friction touching the the snow.
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I was told by a specialist shop that most factory done structuring isn't great, a proper grind might make a difference.
Shops are in the business to create revenue. A good way to create revenue is to sell goods and services to people even if they don't need them. This is especially true if you need to pay for specialty equipment like base grinders and sturcturing tools.

That being said, the factory structure may not be ideal for someone's riding conditions and a different structure could benefit them i.e. you pick up a new board in the spring and are going to be riding summer slush. The factory structure isn't ideal for slush, but is it really worth getting new structure cut that will need to be recut the next winter?
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I hear graphite is suppose to be good for going fast. I've never played around with it, but is this true? Also does it go on like regular wax (iron on and scrape)?
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Let me explain this to you instead of arguing in one line sentences like yourself my friend.
What your saying is like saying how big a car is, is more important to its movement then it having spinning wheels.
Yeaahhhh no, thats not what i'm saying, poor analogy.

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Although I'm in no way saying surface area and size donesn't matter, I'm just saying nothing's moving with much speed on snow with out something to help break friction touching the the snow.
Actually i believe that is what you're arguing.


Anyways, after your poor attempt at being sarcastic listen up and you might learn something. Yes wax will make a board go faster than one without, BUT the biggest difference (and my initial argument) to speed on two same sized boards waxed with the same wax would be surface area in contact with the snow. Thats called friction, or drag, and if you have a custom x vs a lib btx or c2 etc which has more contact points on the snow while flat basing then yeah, it causes more friction and drag, hence slowing you.

Case in point is why alpine racers use narrow, cambered boards, with less base contact with the snow, if banana profiles were faster they would be using them.
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