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Old 01-18-2013, 12:57 AM   #71 (permalink)
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WHY are their skis skinny and long then? That doesn't make more of a difference? Are you saying a pair of waxed powder skis would work better for cross country than nonwaxed cross country skis?
No I'm saying it's a good example cause it clearly shows how important glide is. They use next to nothing for ski's to get l lighter weight and better stamina and depend soley on the wax glide for any solid momentum. Throw a steap hilll in with the right wax glide and rockets are engaged.
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No I'm saying it's a good example cause it clearly shows how important glide is. They use next to nothing for ski's to get l lighter weight and better stamina and depend soley on the wax glide for any solid momentum. Throw a steap hilll in with the right wax glide and rockets are engaged.
I still don't get your point, we all are in agreement that wax helps. You stated that it is the most important thing and that all else is secondary, yet all your examples don't show this. Cross country skiing was done before wax and it still was relatively efficient....
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I still don't get your point, we all are in agreement that wax helps. You stated that it is the most important thing and that all else is secondary, yet all your examples don't show this. Cross country skiing was done before wax and it still was relatively efficient....

Nah, learn how to read, your guys argument was that wax made a marginal difference compared to everything else you guys came up with. I can't fix hard headed ignorance all can do is tell you my board has hit the breaks to a dead stop in certain snow conditions but with the right wax I've been able to overcome this.
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Nah, learn how to read, your guys argument was that wax made a marginal difference compared to everything else you guys came up with. I can't fix hard headed ignorance all can do is tell you my board has hit the breaks to a dead stop in certain snow conditions but with the right wax I've been able to overcome this.
Those conditions are the result of suction, a very specific condition that would actually cause this. You know what works better at breaking this suction? Base structure. A nice base grind pattern or even better a structurn pattern prevents this from happening. In the other 99% of conditions other aspects of the board make more of a difference. I'm going to finish by leaving a link to a previous thread with quite a few well respected members posting their opinions, as well as actual science
http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...-dont-wax.html
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Those conditions are the result of suction, a very specific condition that would actually cause this. You know what works better at breaking this suction? Base structure. A nice base grind pattern or even better a structurn pattern prevents this from happening. In the other 99% of conditions other aspects of the board make more of a difference. I'm going to finish by leaving a link to a previous thread with quite a few well respected members posting their opinions, as well as actual science
http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...-dont-wax.html
Cool man, You sold me, my life just got a hell of a lot easier, screw wax, had no idea it all taboo. Guess all the focus on wax, its all just and industry trick to make money. Damn, I need to spread the word that Wax only helps in the most select conditions and only makes the most marginal difference. This is big news. Thanks Bro. I'm gonna save a load of money and tons of work and time. Your the shit.
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Those conditions are the result of suction, a very specific condition that would actually cause this. You know what works better at breaking this suction? Base structure. A nice base grind pattern or even better a structurn pattern prevents this from happening. In the other 99% of conditions other aspects of the board make more of a difference. I'm going to finish by leaving a link to a previous thread with quite a few well respected members posting their opinions, as well as actual science
http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...-dont-wax.html
Its people like you and the other respected members you speak of making huge revelations like waxing is marginal at best and only good for a couple extra miles per hour, wow this is what is gonna keep me coming back. i You guys are gonna revolutionize the industry and re-write the rule books I can feel it.
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Cool man, You sold me, my life just got a hell of a lot easier, screw wax, had no idea it all taboo. Guess all the focus on wax, its all just and industry trick to make money. Damn, I need to spread the word that Wax only helps in the most select conditions and only makes the most marginal difference. This is big news. Thanks Bro. I'm gonna save a load of money and tons of work and time. Your the shit.
Holey fuck are you really that obtuse? WAX MAKES A DIFFERENCE! Any unwaxed board is going to be slower than the same board that is waxed. Boards make more of a difference, which you seem to disagree on, even though you bring up race boards and only seeing a handful of brands. If wax was the holy grail, why doesn't a broski show up with skate banana, some race wax, and own everyone?
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Holey fuck are you really that obtuse? WAX MAKES A DIFFERENCE! Any unwaxed board is going to be slower than the same board that is waxed. Boards make more of a difference, which you seem to disagree on, even though you bring up race boards and only seeing a handful of brands. If wax was the holy grail, why doesn't a broski show up with skate banana, some race wax, and own everyone?
Cause everyone has race wax, once the wax race is considered, then it comes down to the most talented or lucky racer. After Nate Holland wins a race he doesn't thank Kessler, most people don't even know he rides a Kessler. He gives all the props to his wax tech for providing him with the fastest board. Once again he doesn't thank Kessler for this.

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I can't believe you guys are still going on about this.
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There is some full retard going on here. Wax is certainly a factor in speed, but how is it not understoos that it's only one of many factors involved---and not nearly the most important.

My NS Raptor 159 and T.Rice 161.5 were bloody fast, both of which would be faster than other boards I've owned such as a Bataleon Goliath 157 and Lib Skate Banana 159, regardless of what brand/temp/formulation of wax you put on each.
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