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Old 01-23-2013, 11:38 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I have been boarding on and off for the last 3 years, but this year, I have been doing it seriously, so I want my own setup tired of renting.

My level;
I can easily do greens, blues, I can even do single black diamonds(slowly). So I can link my turns, but I am still considering myself an intermediate, I still sometimes fall during getting of from lift-chair.

I am 30, 6'1, weight b/w 190-205lbs (weight changes when I am on and off from gym). Boot size 12 or 13.

I have been thinking about a 160cm board, am I right on that?

Also, considering my level, I heard things about `forgiven` boards? what is it like stiffer or not stiffer boards, wide or narrow? what do you guys think?

for budget doesn't really all that matter, I am thinking on spending up to 800 for all three.
Hi Vkny

I think all the advice here is in the right direction.

My 2cents- If money is an object then get to a mountain that's running a demo with some top manufacturers. Some good shops will let you demo boards as well. Its the only true way to see what feels right. Then let the board collecting begin!

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Old 01-23-2013, 11:44 PM   #32 (permalink)
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that website you shared, shows the `legacy` board as pipe & park freestyle board, would this be good for me? I was under the impression that a freeride (all-mountain board) is what I needed
DEAR GOD! I feel sorry for you. These two numb nuts are arguing instead of helping...

First things first, freeride and all-mountain are not the same. Think about it this way, pure freestyle means you're in the park, doing rails, butters, jumps, side hits, etc.

Pure freeride means you're never on groomed snow. You're always in the off-piste, powder, trees, some natural jumps, etc.

All-mountain is somewhere in between. You ride on a lot of groomed runs, with the occasional trip through the park, and the occasional trip through some trees or powder.

GENERALLY SPEAKING:

Freestyle = soft setup (and yes, some companies have ratings out of 10 on all their equipment to give you a rough idea of stiffness)
All-mountain = medium setup
Freeride = stiff setup

Sounds like you're looking for a medium setup which is a great idea for a first setup. Those rating numbers aren't based on tests or anything, just the designs, so don't get too hung up on numbers. I just wouldn't buy anything with a 1-2 or 8+ as a new rider. Stick with something from 3-7 or so for all your gear. If the manufacturer doesn't offer a number rating, look for the words "all-mountain" as being the prime descriptive words for the item.

Weipim, how old are you? That's an honest question. It's really hard to read the "U R not helping" type posts!
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:08 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I have a pair of Burton Cartels(albeit last years) and I am not super stoked on them. They have a bit of forward lean that can't be undone and my boots(Vans Matlock) don't fit snugly in them. Plus they are plastic and I have had the strap screws loosen themselves in half a day of some intensely brutal ice riding. Just from what I have seen and heard, Union seems to generally be the most kickass brand. I would be careful limiting yourself to what REI has when you are looking because they are extremely limited compared to a legit board shop and you might find yourself "settling" for what they have instead of finding what you find the most comfortable. However, the return policy is kickass so that's always a plus.

AND DON'T CHEAP ON BOOTS. Bad boots ruin your whole damn time.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:53 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I have a pair of Burton Cartels(albeit last years) and I am not super stoked on them. They have a bit of forward lean that can't be undone and my boots(Vans Matlock) don't fit snugly in them. Plus they are plastic and I have had the strap screws loosen themselves in half a day of some intensely brutal ice riding. Just from what I have seen and heard, Union seems to generally be the most kickass brand. I would be careful limiting yourself to what REI has when you are looking because they are extremely limited compared to a legit board shop and you might find yourself "settling" for what they have instead of finding what you find the most comfortable. However, the return policy is kickass so that's always a plus.

AND DON'T CHEAP ON BOOTS. Bad boots ruin your whole damn time.
you can say that again, rei is great on refunding but selection is limited, i will head down to burton shop and rei try some boots on though, then maybe if they have one of the boards i listed down maybe i will look at them

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Hi Vkny

I think all the advice here is in the right direction.

My 2cents- If money is an object then get to a mountain that's running a demo with some top manufacturers. Some good shops will let you demo boards as well. Its the only true way to see what feels right. Then let the board collecting begin!

Seb
actually money isn't an issue, I can spend however but just don't want to waste money away just because I can, I want to buy something that fits to my level of ability, but somethingin between an beginner-intermediate ride that handles all-mountain and some park.

i checked there's no demo running, wish they were actually it's a good idea

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DEAR GOD! I feel sorry for you. These two numb nuts are arguing instead of helping...

First things first, freeride and all-mountain are not the same. Think about it this way, pure freestyle means you're in the park, doing rails, butters, jumps, side hits, etc.

Pure freeride means you're never on groomed snow. You're always in the off-piste, powder, trees, some natural jumps, etc.

All-mountain is somewhere in between. You ride on a lot of groomed runs, with the occasional trip through the park, and the occasional trip through some trees or powder.

GENERALLY SPEAKING:

Freestyle = soft setup (and yes, some companies have ratings out of 10 on all their equipment to give you a rough idea of stiffness)
All-mountain = medium setup
Freeride = stiff setup

Sounds like you're looking for a medium setup which is a great idea for a first setup. Those rating numbers aren't based on tests or anything, just the designs, so don't get too hung up on numbers. I just wouldn't buy anything with a 1-2 or 8+ as a new rider. Stick with something from 3-7 or so for all your gear. If the manufacturer doesn't offer a number rating, look for the words "all-mountain" as being the prime descriptive words for the item.

Weipim, how old are you? That's an honest question. It's really hard to read the "U R not helping" type posts!
hmm yea i guess it does make sense that freeride is on pow so board needs to be more stiff guess it does make sense, and freestyle boards do need to be soft so you land after a jump get on pipes etc. it all make sense, thanks man

guess definitely I need a medium setup, not a stiff board, not a soft bard an all mountainer to master my basics, but I am going to try the park after a month from now on so trying to get something that i can somewhat(i know you can't have everything in one board) do park and all mountain. Any specific board suggestions?
been looking at these

So I gathered a list of some, what y'all think?
( i tried choosing all-mountain, wide models for 160, 161cm, something i can improve on, and head to park when ready kinda thing, and I choose them to be camber since not rushing to improve skill)

2012/2013 ride machete
never summer legacy and cobra x
burton honcho (although i hate the graphics) (i don't really like any graphics on any burton lol don't know why)
gnu Carbon Credit Series 162W (6.5 rating so i guess not bad)
Skate Banana 159W (rating 6 stiffness)
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I use the Carbon Credit 162W and though it seems lot stiffer than a 6.5. I think it's a great board though. If I could trade, I would definitely put in for the Skate Banana. MagneTraction is a life saver on ice or other hard packs. So personally I would suggest the Skate Banana.
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I use the Carbon Credit 162W and though it seems lot stiffer than a 6.5. I think it's a great board though. If I could trade, I would definitely put in for the Skate Banana. MagneTraction is a life saver on ice or other hard packs. So personally I would suggest the Skate Banana.
was just about to decide on skate banana but i read so much good things about it but people say it's being shaky on high speeds, hmm
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you can say that again, rei is great on refunding but selection is limited, i will head down to burton shop and rei try some boots on though, then maybe if they have one of the boards i listed down maybe i will look at them



actually money isn't an issue, I can spend however but just don't want to waste money away just because I can, I want to buy something that fits to my level of ability, but somethingin between an beginner-intermediate ride that handles all-mountain and some park.

i checked there's no demo running, wish they were actually it's a good idea



hmm yea i guess it does make sense that freeride is on pow so board needs to be more stiff guess it does make sense, and freestyle boards do need to be soft so you land after a jump get on pipes etc. it all make sense, thanks man

guess definitely I need a medium setup, not a stiff board, not a soft bard an all mountainer to master my basics, but I am going to try the park after a month from now on so trying to get something that i can somewhat(i know you can't have everything in one board) do park and all mountain. Any specific board suggestions?
been looking at these

So I gathered a list of some, what y'all think?
( i tried choosing all-mountain, wide models for 160, 161cm, something i can improve on, and head to park when ready kinda thing, and I choose them to be camber since not rushing to improve skill)

2012/2013 ride machete
never summer legacy and cobra x
burton honcho (although i hate the graphics) (i don't really like any graphics on any burton lol don't know why)
gnu Carbon Credit Series 162W (6.5 rating so i guess not bad)
Skate Banana 159W (rating 6 stiffness)
Those boards are kind of all over the place. The Skate Banana is a rocker board, the Carbon Credit is a rocker board, the Never Summers are both hybrids with rocker between the bindings and camber outside the inserts. The Cobra is designed to excel at powder riding and is good in the trees. I don't know if it would be my only board unless I lived somewhere that got good snow all the time. I would have to again recommend the Legacy, but that is just me...I am a NS fan (like many on here).

I wouldn't worry about sticking to a camber board so that your skills don't suffer...your skills will still get plenty of work with a different shape of board. I learned on camber (all they really had back in the day) and rode it up until I got my Proto last year. You do learn a lot more about edge control with a camber board, but it comes at the cost of getting slammed hard any time you make a mistake. Needless to say, I enjoy riding my Proto a lot more That's really the bottom line...if you're having fun you'll try more stuff and your skills will improve. Who cares if it's on a camber or rocker or hybrid?

As far as boots go, again, try on several pairs of boots and find one that fits your feet well. They should feel a little too small, as they will pack out eventually and you don't want your heel to lift up. That will cause you tons of frustration. You will probably still have to do some tweaking to get the boots to be perfect. C-pads, J-pads, butterfly pads, heel ramps, insoles, etc. all help to get a good boot to fit perfectly. A good boot fitter at a decent shop should be able to help you out with this.

Bindings...the Cartels are great, they are super popular and would be a good fit for a do-everything board like the Legacy. They should fit really well with Burton boots if you go that route. I do think it's important to make sure your bindings fit well with your boots otherwise you'll be dealing with straps loosening or slipping off, etc. all the time. I ride Unions and am one of the few who have no issues with mine
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DEAR GOD! I feel sorry for you. These two numb nuts are arguing instead of helping...

First things first, freeride and all-mountain are not the same. Think about it this way, pure freestyle means you're in the park, doing rails, butters, jumps, side hits, etc.

Pure freeride means you're never on groomed snow. You're always in the off-piste, powder, trees, some natural jumps, etc.

All-mountain is somewhere in between. You ride on a lot of groomed runs, with the occasional trip through the park, and the occasional trip through some trees or powder.

GENERALLY SPEAKING:

Freestyle = soft setup (and yes, some companies have ratings out of 10 on all their equipment to give you a rough idea of stiffness)
All-mountain = medium setup
Freeride = stiff setup

Sounds like you're looking for a medium setup which is a great idea for a first setup. Those rating numbers aren't based on tests or anything, just the designs, so don't get too hung up on numbers. I just wouldn't buy anything with a 1-2 or 8+ as a new rider. Stick with something from 3-7 or so for all your gear. If the manufacturer doesn't offer a number rating, look for the words "all-mountain" as being the prime descriptive words for the item.

Weipim, how old are you? That's an honest question. It's really hard to read the "U R not helping" type posts!
ta yeule esti. ur just dropping in and calling us num nuts comment is really a good start to help OP i guess.

just go to your garden and lick your kessler
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did anyone of you really ordered any of the three online? i mean prices don't change all that much anyhow,especially boots must be tried on first same goes for bindings?
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so i decided to order a never summer cobra x 161 (162)W this week with burton cartel bindings, still haven't made my mind on boots...

what do you guys think, it's an all terrain, rocker & camber board, this supposed to be a tech. developed by never summer and it supposed hold on the hardpack for us east coasters pretty good. level 5 responsiveness
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