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DexterMichigan 01-25-2013 04:32 PM

Neversummer Lotus: My Wife Hated It :(
 
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What do you guys think?

So, I read every review, asked on this forum and elsewhere, and last year bought my wife a Neversummer Lotus 151 to replace her well-aged 1995 Burton Custom 151. She rode it on one trip last year out to Whistler (which had lots of powder), and road it in our local downhill ski race slalom league (more of a beer league). We just got back from Jackson Hole. She road the Lotus for about 3 hours, decided she couldn't find an edge on the hybrid rocker board, so we went to the local shop and she rented a demo board for the rest of the trip (no fresh snow, all packed powder and groomer corduroy). She rented a Lamar Holy Moly II 155 (it was the shorted woman's camber board they had). She really liked it and rode the heck out of it on all sorts of blues/double-blues/blacks around JH on it.

She mostly rides groomers, and is 5'7", 115 lbs, size 10 womens boot. We get maybe one good week of skiing out west per year, so that limits the number of days to adapt.

I don't know what to make of it. She hated this super duper board. I think if she had given it more time she could have got used to the reverse camber, but she didn't want to. She thought it got squirrly at high speeds when trying to hold edges or carving. This sounds like a fairly common reaction.

So, should I sell this board and get her something else, or convince her to try it again?

binarypie 01-25-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DexterMichigan (Post 634690)
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What do you guys think?

So, I read every review, asked on this forum and elsewhere, and last year bought my wife a Neversummer Lotus 151 to replace her well-aged 1995 Burton Custom 151. She rode it on one trip last year out to Whistler (which had lots of powder), and road it in our local downhill ski race slalom league (more of a beer league). We just got back from Jackson Hole. She road the Lotus for about 3 hours, decided she couldn't find an edge on the hybrid rocker board, so we went to the local shop and she rented a demo board for the rest of the trip (no fresh snow, all packed powder and groomer corduroy). She rented a Lamar Holy Moly II 155 (it was the shorted woman's camber board they had). She really liked it and rode the heck out of it on all sorts of blues/double-blues/blacks around JH on it.

She mostly rides groomers, and is 5'7", 115 lbs, size 10 womens boot. We get maybe one good week of skiing out west per year, so that limits the number of days to adapt.

I don't know what to make of it. She hated this super duper board. I think if she had given it more time she could have got used to the reverse camber, but she didn't want to. She thought it got squirrly at high speeds when trying to hold edges or carving. This sounds like a fairly common reaction.

So, should I sell this board and get her something else, or convince her to try it again?

For the sake of saving money ask her to give it a little more time while she adjusts to the new flex pattern.

That being said.

If you do end up replacing it you should buy from a store that has a no questions asked return policy so next time you can just exchange. Backcountry.com and REI both have this type of policy. Although, it does mean in some cases you will pay more up front.

killclimbz 01-25-2013 04:52 PM

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That is funny. Hybrid boards do ride different than cambered decks. What you said at speed is true. It takes a little more effort. I find that the RC boards carve fine, but they are different no doubt. Generally speaking the hybrid boards are easier to turn and of course much better in powder. So maybe you want to have her give it a try on a powder day. Also, maybe she won't care for the hybrid profile. Some people just don't like to adjust from what they've learned. That is fine too.

Bummer if she doesn't like or want the board. At least Neversummer's hold decent value and you should be able to sell it for a decent price.

I also think this also goes to prove there is no one board for everyone.

P.Swayze 01-25-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by binarypie (Post 634698)
If you do end up replacing it you should buy from a store that has a no questions asked return policy so next time you can just exchange. Backcountry.com and REI both have this type of policy. Although, it does mean in some cases you will pay more up front.


This.

Go to your local snowboard shop and check out some boards in person. You can get some expert advise from professionals as well as hand flex the boards and get a better feel for what you are purchasing in person.

If you do not have a local Shop nearby, I would recommend the CAPiTA Saturnia 152 - Its a softer cambered twin that is very easy and fun to ride for ladies-

My Girlfriend has also ridden the Outdoor Living 152 which is a zero camber twin and LOVES it- It is a men's board but has a soft flex and a waist width that will accomidate her size 10 boot-

HeroForADay 01-25-2013 05:01 PM

I'd probably have her give it another shot, and maybe on better or just different snow. My wife learned on a very similar, and fairly archaic Burton that was stiff as hell, and fully cambered, so that's all she knew. More recently I got her into using a mixed RC profile, and she ended up going with something pretty soft, and full rocker (Burton Feather), and now she loves it for her riding.

Her and I ride quite differently, so once she got a board that was more for cruising the hill at slower speeds, and typically a much less grade, she found that it was difficult to adjust to the float and playfulness of something that wasn't made out of a 2x4. :D

BigmountainVMD 01-25-2013 05:09 PM

Backcountry.com/dogfunk.com are the way to go.

It is certainly different than camber, but those boards still hold an edge quite well.

She probably would have liked it more in the powder.

On the other hand, I have a friend that just bought his wife the Lotus and she is not a fan. She comes from riding Rome camber boards only. But yeah, she won a women's national BX and slopestyle comp (for the 40+ age group) out at Copper Mtn., and kept on saying how the Lotus felt weird even though she got it specifically for BX.

mixie 01-25-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DexterMichigan (Post 634690)
:dunno:
What do you guys think?

I demoed a Lotus last season and rode it on a pretty deep pow day at June Mountain. Probably 2 feet? One of the few days it actually dumped last season!! I did not really review it. While I liked it I wasn't in love and didn't buy it (I bought a Roxy Envi)

While it handled phenomenally in the powder I found it lacking in a few other ares. First one being that I thought it was a touch too soft.

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Originally Posted by DexterMichigan (Post 634690)
She road the Lotus for about 3 hours, decided she couldn't find an edge on the hybrid rocker board

I didn't find that to be a problem, but I spent very little time with it on groomers and was mostly in thigh deep pow on moderatly steep tree runs. West coast single blacks I guess you could say? Non rated off piste runs I guess you could call them? I dunno...Fun is what I call them :) it did very well in those conditions as well as handling chopped up tracked out pow. Rode over crud like a dream. However that dampness made it less fun to ride in non pow conditions. It had Z E R O 'pop' and just felt lifeless over all.

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Originally Posted by DexterMichigan (Post 634690)
She thought it got squirrly at high speeds when trying to hold edges or carving. This sounds like a fairly common reaction.

Yup. Me too. I did not feel super confident with it in speeds excess of 30mph. I was riding with gps as I often do. My upper limit comfort zone is about 45mph and I regularly cruise around at 30-35mph. Im hoping to get over that and hit 50mph this year...anyway

My Roxy feels rock solid at high speed. Its the fear that holds me back when I start hitting 45+mph not the board. On the Lotus anything over 30 and felt kinda sketchy and I had a very bad crash on a groomer going about 35ish. Board just dumped me and I don't even know what happened. I was riding along down a single black groomed run. I never flat base, I always maintain at least a shallow edge, at least at those speeds! So I was crusing along almost back to the chair and I got that "oh shit I think the tail is comin' round" feeling and BAM next thing I knew I was face down in the snow. Thankfully the mountain was totally empty and NO ONE saw me so my ego remained unharmed.... I mean...I didn't cause anyone else to crash :laugh: Well the lifty saw :(

The board does like to pick up speed for sure which coupled with the squirllyness is a problem. I was speed checking all over the place and had another bad crash when I hit a lip of pow where a cat track was. I was going W A Y to fast for my ability for hitting jumps and I failed to stick the landing on the groomer...It was low light and I didn't even see the cat track had been cut into the pow until it was way to late to speed check. Had I know there was a big kicker coming up, no WAY Id have been going so fast and man I got launched :dizzy: ....of course that crash was right under the lift line. Ego took a beating on that one for sho....as did the helmet. That could happen on any board, and I can't blame the Lotus..

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Originally Posted by DexterMichigan (Post 634690)
So, should I sell this board and get her something else, or convince her to try it again

I dunno...what does she think?

Personally I'd keep it as a pow deck and buy another board. But i am all for buying gear and you probably won't make much on selling it anyway.

You might want to pick up a second set of bindings for her too. Then you don't have to move them back and forth. Valentines day is coming up you know! :laugh:

DexterMichigan 01-25-2013 08:42 PM

Thanks for the input. I'll try to convince her to give it another shot. I agree completely about the powder. Last year she enjoyed it at Whistler, but we were getting dumped on.

I think she just didn't want to fight to get confident on it when we only had 4 days to ski. Unfortunately, we are flatlanders, so we don't get much time to ski and check out new equipment. Also, there is a complete shortage of knowledgeable local ski shops.

I bought the board from Evo.com. They had a decent return policy, but I don't think 14 months later will make it.

Any thoughts on a more cambered or flatter board to check out that is good for groomers for her?

ippy 01-25-2013 09:22 PM

If she doesnt like it, she doesnt like it. She tried it on two different occasions and its not working for her. Shes happier on a camber board. So it goes. Whats this idea she cant make up her mind on it? I havent loved every board ive bought either. Its just the way it goes sometimes. Check out a tech, dont like it, sell it, pick up something else. I really have a feeling (as i often do here) that this is more about neversummer fanboyism than trying to help someone get the right board for them. Some people will like (or LOVE) R+C (i demod the premier the other week and absolutely LOVED it, though honestly the hype turns me off the brand) some people wont. Some people will love their lotus, some people would rather rip it on a lamar. Why on earth would you try and convince her to ride a board she doesnt like when theres boards out there she clearly DOES like. Its clearly the camber profile thats annoying her. This doesnt mean the board is shit or that its poorly designed, it just means for this person she aint enjoying it. I really do feel if it was ANY OTHER BRAND the answer would be "well she enjoys the lamar more, so you know, obviously she should be on the board shes having teh most fun on!"

Nivek 01-25-2013 10:30 PM

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Did you mean Forum Holy Moly 2?
Ask her if she wants something else?? Just a thought.

If so, Ride Farrah, Signal Vita, Nitro Fate, YES TDF, Burton Feelgood Camber, Arbor Push, or see if you can find a 2012 K2 Wolfpack.


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