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Old 02-06-2013, 11:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Looks like you rode over rocks. Ive had dozens of those. Ptex them up and call it a day. If you know how to wax, then you should be able to ptex no problem.

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Old 02-07-2013, 08:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Very minor damage...

As everyone said, just smooth it out. Shave off parts that stick out and give it a good go with a Brillo pad.

As for ease of repair, extruded bases are easier to repair. They are also more durable.

This is why most park specific boards are extruded rather than sintered.


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Respectfully disagree- price is why park boards are extruded instead of sintered.

That being said, there are obviously varying degrees of quality in both base materials and a quality extruded will out perform a poor quality sintered and vice versa.
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Respectfully disagree- price is why park boards are extruded instead of sintered.

That being said, there are obviously varying degrees of quality in both base materials and a quality extruded will out perform a poor quality sintered and vice versa.
You can disagree all you want, but you're flat out wrong broseph. This is one thing I can comfortably say lies outside of opinion and into the realm of objectivity.

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Notice how their extruded bases are the most durable. So I should have actually said that extruded bases CAN be more durable than sintered bases.

The fact remains though... when you get a core shot, it's easier/less-costly to repair on an extruded base than it is on a sintered base.

Guess what type of damage jibbers incur most? Yup... core shots.
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Yeah it's a wax-infused sintered base - I thought P-Tex was a universal filler though? Damn I'd be pissed if this ended up having to be an expensive base grind and rewax after only 3 days!
Dude, you'll be running over crap all the time, as sugggested just trim any plastic shreds and ride. Wax will fill it somewhat. Once you've run over enough stuff that your board has lots of those nasty scratches in it get a base grind.
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Yeah I've always heard that extruded bases are more durable, and that is why they put them on park boards. Sintered bases are faster (when waxed) and that that is why they are found on more expensive models... which mostly tend to be all-mountain and freeride decks.
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You can disagree all you want, but you're flat out wrong broseph. This is one thing I can comfortably say lies outside of opinion and into the realm of objectivity.

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Notice how their extruded bases are the most durable. So I should have actually said that extruded bases CAN be more durable than sintered bases.

The fact remains though... when you get a core shot, it's easier/less-costly to repair on an extruded base than it is on a sintered base.

Guess what type of damage jibbers incur most? Yup... core shots.
What makes sintered boards harder to repair? Just epoxy and fill them with a candle. Unless you are a world class racer, you won't even notice that 1% of your base now being extruded compared to sintered.
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Yeah I've always heard that extruded bases are more durable, and that is why they put them on park boards. Sintered bases are faster (when waxed) and that that is why they are found on more expensive models... which mostly tend to be all-mountain and freeride decks.
Lets clear up some facts. Generally for PTEX(UHMWPE), abrasion resistance goes up with molecular weight. The polymer chains that make up the PTEX are longer. Now bases can be made using an extrusion or sintering process, with most molecular weight PTEX. Extrusion melts and forms the PTEX so you usually get a denser product, while the sintering leaves more pores, hence the better wax absorption. Generally lower molecular weight PTEX is cheaper, and extrusion is a cheaper process as well, which is why you end up with pricepoint boards with low molecular weight PTEX extruded bases(fusion 1500 etc) while generally sintered bases use a high molecular weight PTEX. For the best abrasion resistance, a company will generally use a high MW PTEX extruded base. Denser, longer chains etc.
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You can disagree all you want, but you're flat out wrong broseph. This is one thing I can comfortably say lies outside of opinion and into the realm of objectivity.

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Base Compounds | Board Tech | Rome Snowboard Design Syndicate 2013

Notice how their extruded bases are the most durable. So I should have actually said that extruded bases CAN be more durable than sintered bases.

The fact remains though... when you get a core shot, it's easier/less-costly to repair on an extruded base than it is on a sintered base.

Guess what type of damage jibbers incur most? Yup... core shots.


Incorrectomundo Leo. Sintered base material is harder by nature, thus more durable. The benefits of extruded are lower cost, easier to repair, low maintenance. Extruded is great for jibbers as they are more likely to need a base repair, but not because it's more durable.

"Sintering involves crushing polyethylene pellets together under high pressure. This causes them to melt together and fuse, and the resulting sintered material is generally of higher density, higher molecular mass, and exhibits better abrasion resistance than extruded material."

Extruded vs. Sintered - Become an Ace of Base - The-House.com

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What makes sintered boards harder to repair? Just epoxy and fill them with a candle. Unless you are a world class racer, you won't even notice that 1% of your base now being extruded compared to sintered.
When you melt ptex into an extruded base, it bonds better because well, that's practically how extruded bases are made.

When you pour that into a sintered base, it doesn't bond as well because sintered bases are made by grinding ptex.

So what this means is that while you can do a quick fix on a sintered by using the same ptex melting method, the chances of it popping out are much greater than on an extruded.

The proper method to repair a sintered base involves a good amount of base grinding and reworking.

But yea, you can certainly use the PTex method and just redo it if it pops out. You're more likely to find it popping out in colder conditions or another hit in that area.
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