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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-26-2008, 07:03 PM
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Why is it necessary for the second (middle layer) to be waterproof?

I'm just asking because I'm going to be a first time rider this year and I already have a waterproof jacket, pants, and underwear. If my outer layer jacket is waterproof and it keeps snow out, what's the point of the middle layer being waterproof?

I was wondering because I already own a sweater thats 100% polyester, really warm, but it's not waterproof. On the other hand, I have another polyester jacket thats waterproof jacket, but its not as warm as the sweater.
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-26-2008, 07:18 PM
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ok what you want is a the out layer to be water proof, want the middle layer prolly cotton, and the base nylon/cotton mix is good. any temps under 10 or so degrees i will just ware my base and outer. i will only wear a midlayer above -15. i just hate feeling bulky.
post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-26-2008, 07:24 PM
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I thought cotten is the worst material you can wear as a snowboarder?

Im going to be wearing an under armor type of material for my underwear. Its sort of like a thermal I guess.

Is that Farenheit or Celsius?
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the was celcius, like i said i usually like wearing less layers. but every one is different. cotton is good its a natural, breaths good.
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you do NOT want cotton.
your sweater that you already own is fine.

I'm not sure what kind of conditions you'd have to be riding in to have multiple waterproof layers.
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I'm gonna be riding at Mountain Creek in NJ. I guess it will be average winter conditions, its not the arctic.
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you should avoid cotton, it can absorb up to 5X its weight in sweat and when it does you feel cold...you need layers that are breathable so they can "wick" all your sweat to your outter layer
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Dash,

That's an interesting question. Who told you to wear a waterproof second layer?

During the winter I go with hard shell waterproof outerwear during the not so cold, wet days and soft shell water resistant gear when it's colder, dryer or lots of hiking is involved. Then a mix of wool or synthetic under layers. You really only need the outer most layer to be waterproof if it's doing the job.

No cotton, anywhere, most of the time. I can see wearing a cotton hoodie in spring and summer if you never fall or sit on the snow (how often does that happen). There are synthetic hoodies that do the job better than cotton. Patagucci makes a good one. I have been known to rock the Carhartt jacket when it's dry and cold. No chance of getting wet.
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Hey, Im not sure if my pants and jacket are water proof or water resistant. I got the Quiksilver Snowboard Jacket that is 5,000 mm

Oh, Ive seen in videos online that your second layer should be water proof too
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Hey, Im not sure if my pants and jacket are water proof or water resistant. I got the Quiksilver Snowboard Jacket that is 5,000 mm

Oh, Ive seen in videos online that your second layer should be water proof too
5,000 is low on the scale. 20,000 is pretty waterproof. It will probably be fine for an East coast winter but you would be a human sponge in the PNW.

I'd like to see the video. Do you have a link?
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