New Snowboard Upgrade
Looking for a new snowboard that will give me more CONFIDENCE, a little more SPEED than your standard park board and still be FUN/FORGIVING.
- Stalled advancing beginner.
Can go down blues confidently with fair amount of speed. Mainly groomers, flat land buttering, small jumps and small park stuff. Looking to get better edge control at higher speeds for confidence and bigger jumps/features.
- Been riding for about 4 seasons.
- I ride Cali resorts but planning to go to bigger/better resorts with some vacation time.
- Currently ride Signal Park 150. Have experience with Bataleon, K2, Signal, Burton and Lib Tech. Signal Park is OK. I just feel that there might be something better out there.
My criteria for the new board:
1. Positive or Hybrid camber (no rocker, no flat)
2. Soft to mid flex
3. NOT Burton!
5. Some kind of “tech” (ex. TBT) that will make the board catch less edges.
6. Capable of doing “some” ALL MTN.
7. Price is not an issue. Proves how much I LOVE snowboarding and wanting to get better!!!
Looking at Bataleon, Echelon, Capita, Academy, Artec, K2, Rossignol and Nitro. So many choices!
ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS on what you guys think will fit the bill.
Thanks for the help.
From the bataleon line: Airobic, Global Warmer, Fun Kink, Whatever
From lobster: Parkbaord (essentially a sintered airobic)
Echelon basically has a ton of boards that meet your criteria.
Rome also has that "No Hangups" TBT type tech now although reviews I have seen on it seem mixed
I have a lobster Parkbaord that i ride all over the mountain. I take my parkbaord out if I plan to do mostly park, and i use my Evil Twin if i plan to do whatever. I dont have stability issues with either.
In my opinion the bataleon line has a pretty big stiffness jump between the airobic line and the evil twin line.
Honestly if you're saying you need tech to overcome catchiness, it may be a technique issue. Unless you're riding a noodle I'd suggest lessons to help you overcome the plateau.
Should also ask, what's your weight and height? A 150 may be too short, and simply going to a longer board might give you the edge hold you need.
What is your weight? That will tell us how the Signal 150 fits you.
And when you say "cali resorts" that aren't bigger and better I'm assuming you mean Mt High/Bear? Because Mammoth/Alpine/Squaw/Kirkwood/Sugar Bowl are bigger and better :laugh:
I wouldn't write off full rocker so quickly. Get thee on an Arbor. You can ride sloppy and not catch edges, and it can go 40-50mph no problem. I chose the blacklist for a 2nd year rider and he's hauling ass down Mammoth blacks with guys riding 10 years. He wasn't faster than them but he was holding up fairly well. Progressed real quick.
Hybrid boards can whip you around real quick let me tell you.
That said if you are catching edges just time and better technique will help. Once I forced myself to steer with the front foot edge catching all but disappeared, camber/hybrid/rocker. Go two full days telling yourself you will not whip that back foot around. You'll get used to it.
Steer front foot, follow with back foot. Get a stomp pad, find a green run, take your back foot out and put it on the stomp pad and do a whole run. Or leave your foot in the back but pretend it's not there ...
Most of the boards I have ridden are 148-152.
And Yes!!!...I have noticed that when I go to a longer board (150 and up) it feels more "stable" and the edges don't "twitch" as much as a 148. The only problem I hate about longer boards (152 and up) is that they feel "heavy" because of the extra length. Also...I feel like the board is harder to turn and is not as agile.
Thats why for park and all around riding I STRICTLY like to stay within 149-151. Anything shorter and the board doesn't feel "supportive"...anything longer and the board feels too "big" and "bulky".
Sorry for sounding so ANAL! Haha LOL. I'm pretty sure most people will just say: "who cares...its just snowboarding and if anything...its more likely a combination of bad technique and practice/time before you can progress even more.
But to them...I say: Its just that I LOVE SNOWBOARDING so much and therefore feel I need to be very technical and have as much info/knowledge as I can (sounds like OCD ;) haha).
Will definitely need to take a lesson or 2 too!!!!! In my 4 years...I have never took a lesson and just went with videos, observation and good ole trial and error.
Thanks for all the info. Appreciate it.
I did ride a Bataleon Airobic 151 and a Bataleon Fun Kink 152 for half a season. They felt ~ "alright". I liked the TBT and the agile edge to edge transition.
The only problem I felt the Bataleons had were that they felt "cheap" and "plastic". Don't know if anyone in particular feel or think the same way. It could be the TBT or the topsheet/base material...I don't know. But it just didn't feel right under my feet at that time...especially when I had already ridden regular good old fashioned boards from K2 and GNU.
BUT: After 3 years of not riding anything at all...I figured I would give Bataleon another shot. Maybe the TBT/base material changed and it would finally feel right.
I should also start looking into DEMO days/boards also. Than that way I can try different "tech" and see which ones I prefer/like.
Thanks for the info/replies guys. Helped me narrow some boards down. I might keep the Signal...I might not.
I really need to try hybrid camber. It looks interesting and I think it might be what I need/want.
Forgot to say: Rode a rocker/reversed camber board (Burton Hero) for half a season and did not like rocker at all.
I originally started on good old positive camber when I started snowboarding and rocker boards feel "dead" and not "lively" to me. I am used to having that springy feel under my feet and thats why I am leaving out flat/rocker boards.
Try an arbor demo if you can. For a rocker board, the Coda was poppy for a rocker or cambered board. The Westmark not so much (in my experience).
But if you're talking about the inherent spring of camber well yeah you need camber.
Besides playing with equipment, you could try changing up your riding a little. I found in my 3rd season that I wasn't happy with my stability on unexpected bumps, dips, and such. So I started deliberately going off the groomer. Not far -- just ride down 3-5 feet off the groomed area whenever possible. You get tossed on your head the first couple of times, but you soon develop better stability. Then start on side paths, tree runs, etc.
Also forgot to mention:
There was 1 day/time when I went to mammoth and demo'ed a Lib Tech Banana. First generation I believe.
It was "fun" to say the least...did feel stable and I felt like I could go faster and faster without feeling twitchy or catching an edge and doing a scorpion. I think that was mainly due to the Magnatraction and not so much the rocker.
I still thought the board felt dead and felt like I needed positive camber. That was only 1 day about 3-4 years ago and I haven't rode Lib Tech, Magnatraction or rockered boards since.
Maybe I should give them another chance too. Who knows!?!?!:dunno:
Damn SOOOO MANY CHOICES!!!!!!!! Definitely need demo days and to just stick it out with one tech or the other and not changing so much.
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