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Varza 01-27-2014 09:47 PM

Looking at switching to 32 Lashed (have Nike Vapens)
 
Hello everyone (who bothers to read this thread and help a noob out)!

I have a story of boot woes that is probably not unlike that of many beginners. I've been riding a pair of Nike Vapen boots, size 8.5 (I wear 9 in my street shoes, but all my shoes are loose). Got them heat molded after buying them (without toe caps the first time - stupid). First day on the mountain with them was disrupted by horrible foot pain. My toes were being squished and circulation was cut off, so... owy! Made an emergency trip to a store in town and got them heat molded a second time, this time with toe caps. Much better! Still not 100% comfy, but much better. A guy at that store said the boots were probably too big for me. Fast forward to this season and after some packing out, they feel more comfortable to wear, but I am seeing the dreaded heel lift. Another thing that I think I do wrong is, I lace them up real tight, which gets uncomfortable after a while. And then I tighten the bindings to an extreme, probably to compensate for the loose boots. Feet are unhappy. My front foot (which stays strapped in for most of the day) gets numb and tingly and sometimes very cold. I can live with it for now, because as soon as I take the boots off, I feel fine, no lingering pain or anything; but I do get a sudden rush of warmth from the blood coming back - I probably should not do this long term.

Another problem that I think I have with my current boots is that the toe box is kind of narrow. I have weird misshapen feet - narrow heel and wide ball/toes. Ugh! So I've been eyeing the 32 Lashed, which are said to have a wider toe box, and which my friend totally loves (she has last year's model, got them online, says they work great for her, how are other people so lucky??). Today I tried the Lashed in size 8 at a local store. I could lift my heel in the liner if I really tried (stand up on my tippy toes and crank my calf to lift the heel - kind of hard to explain). But they felt fine when leaning on them like in a toeside turn - no lift at all. The person at the store said I should probably try a 7.5 as well, but I'm not sure I can even put them on ("my foot doesn't bend that way"). The 8 was a bit of challenge to put on. He also said that with new boots, it's good to have your toes almost crushed to the end of it because you then heat mold them and they pack out. With the 8, my toes were up against the end of the liner, but the boots felt quite comfortable.

So I guess what I will do from here is try to get a hold of a 7.5 pair of Lashed (the store here didn't have them) and see if I can put them on at all and how they feel.

Conclusion: boot sizing/fitting is an utter mess :(

tl;dr, my questions are:
How much do 32 Lashed boots pack out in your opinion?
What other boots would you recommend I look at for my weird feet (narrow heel, wide toes)?
Is it true that new boots should be tight to the point where they are uncomfortable?
What liners should I be looking at to help with heel lift (either on my current boots or on new ones if it keeps happening)?

@poutanen, I liked this post of yours from a while back - I am still looking for my revelation moment concerning boots ;)

ICary 01-27-2014 11:50 PM

The Ride Lasso has really good heel hold, atleast for me. They have the tongue tied boa!
I say toes should be touching the front when standing straight up. When knees bent they should slightly move away and give you a little room.

snowklinger 01-27-2014 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Varza (Post 1478209)
tl;dr, my questions are:
How much do 32 Lashed boots pack out in your opinion?
What other boots would you recommend I look at for my weird feet (narrow heel, wide toes)?
Is it true that new boots should be tight to the point where they are uncomfortable?
What liners should I be looking at to help with heel lift (either on my current boots or on new ones if it keeps happening)?

@poutanen, I liked this post of yours from a while back - I am still looking for my revelation moment concerning boots ;)

The Lashed start with a pretty thin liner, so there is not much packout available anyway. With this particular boot the main issue with wear is that they are not stiff, and become less so as they wear in.

All liners packout. All. The thicker the liner, the more give it has to give over time.

I loved my Lashed for many days but love the TM-Twos much more. Still a sort of "all mountain freestyle" sort of boot but way more support and an incredibly better liner.

In terms of "is discomfort ok" is a fine line where you want to figure out how you fit certain boots and yea, you wanna cram in them when they are brand new, and deal with discomfort for a couple weeks. This is called a performance fit. People who ride 10-15 days a year may not want to spend all of those days in pain, this is something to consider and can be dealt with by wearing them off the slope, which sucks. I use the front 3 inches of 2 pairs of socks, then a thin sock over that so that the toebox is exaggerated, then heat the liners in the dryer, and put the boots on hot as tight as I can stand and wear them for 30-45 minutes as they cool. Took several sessions for these tm2s i'm wearing but they fit so fucking nice now.

Get aftermarket insoles.

If you have heel lift and not tried 32 as I've told others in the past, you are doing yourself a disservice. There is a webbing system attached to the heel of the outer boot that wraps the entire ankle and liner, ankle size be damned. Its a full on noose that is the size of your ankle, no need for pain there, just make it snug and say goodbye to heel lift forever.

jdang307 01-28-2014 12:38 AM

Not for me. Heel lift galore. 32 Lashed.

Varza 01-28-2014 02:49 PM

Thanks for the replies, especially klinger for the long exposť :)

I guess if I'm going to get aftermarket insoles, I should probably get the 8s, as I read in a thread that custom insoles are a bit bigger than the stock ones and thus I might need the bit of extra space in the liners. Thoughts?

Also, yeah the TM-Twos look even better, but are out of my price range at the moment. Also I don't even think the store had them...

ridinbend 01-28-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Varza (Post 1480849)
Thanks for the replies, especially klinger for the long exposť :)

I guess if I'm going to get aftermarket insoles, I should probably get the 8s, as I read in a thread that custom insoles are a bit bigger than the stock ones and thus I might need the bit of extra space in the liners. Thoughts?

Also, yeah the TM-Twos look even better, but are out of my price range at the moment. Also I don't even think the store had them...

There are a bunch of different 32 boots on sale on whiskeymilitia right now including tm-twos. In the private selection.

Varza 01-28-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ridinbend (Post 1480921)
There are a bunch of different 32 boots on sale on whiskeymilitia right now including tm-twos. In the private selection.

Thanks for the head's up, but am I safe getting them online without trying them on? Either way *goes over to take a look* oh... only size 9.5 in stock. Too big for moi :(

ridinbend 01-28-2014 03:25 PM

Yeah that site rules. They will return even after use for up to a year. Check the green pair, I think all sizes are still available.

F1EA 01-28-2014 03:53 PM

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If the Lashed you tried on at the store gave a little but of heel lift, they will lift more when they pack out. But if they fit perfect and once strapped you dont get heel lift, just continue to wear them until (and if) you do get heel lift... by then, just use J bars or C's and they should lock up again.

I recommend not heat molding them and just letting them naturally mold to your feet. When i bought my TM-2, they were perfect, but the shop convinced me to heat molding them; i tied my left boot and the shop guy tied my right... from then on, the right boot got some heel lift which i fixed with a couple of C's. The left boot is perfect. Otherwise, plenty of toe wiggle room, and that internal liner lacing is pretty neat.

You could try the J and C's on your current boots too, if heel lift is your only problem.

ekb18c 01-28-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ridinbend (Post 1481081)
Yeah that site rules. They will return even after use for up to a year. Check the green pair, I think all sizes are still available.

I think you may have it mixed up with another site.

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