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Old 03-14-2014, 01:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default TONS of heellift...in fact my entire foot moves in my boots

how much does this affect the quality of your snowboarding? only reason im holding off on buying new ones is the season is almost over and i spent a ton on equip this year already.

anyway, back to my question...how will a really well-fitting pair of boots help me out?
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Depends on how you ride. If you do large turns on a well-groomed slope you're fine. If you're getting into rough terrain where you need to turn on a dime and make lots of tiny adjustments to your line you might have a problem.

You're basically getting a split-second delay between what you want your board to do and what it's actually doing. If you find your edges bite more than they should that might be why.

Have you tried adding a second pair of socks?
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Old 03-14-2014, 01:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If you're having that much heel lift, your boots don't fit you worth a damn and a new, better fitting pair would help your riding like nothing else you could possibly do right now.
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If you're having that much heel lift, your boots don't fit you worth a damn and a new, better fitting pair would help your riding like nothing else you could possibly do right now.
dang. now im curious as to how much different a feel it will be. i can literally feel my foot sliding about 1/2" each time i do a turn either frontside or backside.

will probably help with the confidence as well.
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i can literally feel my foot sliding about 1/2" each time i do a turn either frontside or backside.
Err, yeah. Ignore my comment, get new boots. Imagine riding with your bindings loose enough that your boot can move by that much.
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you want your every subtle movement and pressure to be translated directly to the board, proper boot fit is just frikkn critical, i don't know how else to put it

as an analogy...ever drive an old truck where there is like 3" of play when you turn the wheel before any turning actually occurs? it's like that
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Boots MUST fit.

If they are so bad... worst case, rent some. With renting, at least you can choose which fit best, and who knows you may find a decent fitting boot (or at least better than yours). Worth a try?

All that heel lift will end up hurting both your riding and your feet! if you ride a lot you can get blisters, plus all the extra effort to get response in a sliding boot will make you strain either the muscles or other parts of your foot. That sucks. On top of that... you will have to develop some funky techniques to compensate........ not good either.

You could also reduce lift without having to change boots completely (assuming the boot shell reasonably fits). Maybe go to a boot fitter, or try out thicker socks, aftermarket insole, jbars/cbars etc. Or even a new liner altogether. Sometimes even having the ankle straps on the bindings or the laces a bit tighter helps a bit..... it's a lot of different elements. Try all you can to see if you can get your boots to at least fit ok. Maybe like 1/4" lift is not the end of the world.

A quick "assessment": if after 4hrs+ or riding the first thing you want to take off are your boots.... something is wrong.

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Boots MUST fit.

If they are so bad... worst case, rent some. With renting, at least you can choose which fit best, and who knows you may find a decent fitting boot (or at least better than yours). Worth a try?

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A quick "assessment": if after 4hrs+ or riding the first thing you want to take off are your boots.... something is wrong.

Good luck!
First point - very yes! I was also going to suggest you try to rent a pair of boots that fits better and see the difference for yourself.

End point - what should be the first thing you'd want to take off? For me, it's the helmet and goggles
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I don't know if they sell them after-market, but my Thirty-Two Focus boots came with a set of adhesive pads that you stick to the inner boot to tighten up the fit...they work great. I mean, really big difference. As others have said, heel lift not only changes your ability to make quick turns, it also can really, really hurt the front of your foot as you're constantly trying to compensate. Your heel/calf should be doing the work. If you're having to constantly put pressure on the balls of your feet to compensate for heel lift, I guarantee you'll be a candidate for surgery! Been there, done that. Ripped the shit out of my metatarsal tendon. When I went to the doc I just said "snowboarding" and he knew exactly what was going on.

On this same subject, going slow is a BIG problem! My skiing friends don't get it..."Let's do a green, it will be mellow." Fuck that...greens are THE WORST. Trying to hold an edge or maintain any kind of speed on a flat green is the worst thing for your feet. You're putting lots and lots of pressure on the front of your feet just to maintain...it not only hurts, it rips the tendons in your feet. Trust me...after thousands of dollars of surgery and an entire season out, you don't want to go through it.

Invest in good boots, have them fitted!
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I don't know if they sell them after-market, but my Thirty-Two Focus boots came with a set of adhesive pads that you stick to the inner boot to tighten up the fit...they work great. I mean, really big difference.
J-bars aren't gonna work when the boots flat out don't fit. What he's describing are boots that are simply too big.
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