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Old 10-05-2014, 10:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Boot fit (+ burton ions vs 32 TM-TWO?). SORRY

Hallooo. Apologies for the word count.
Long time lurker, first time poster here... and what better way to have my first post than with a "which" gear question. I'm sorry

So I live miles/hours from the nearest board store so trying things on is an issue. I've decided my current boots are way too soft and to be honest, just not a great boot (nothing wrong with northwave but I got the worst in the line). So I finally made the trip out to the board store to try boots on.

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Thirtytwo-TM-TWO. Tried the Stevens 2014 model
Burton IONS 2015
Northwave decades 2015

Problem is that it's a tiny local store and has limited sizes so I couldn't move up and down between sizes. I also forgot to wear snowboard socks, just crappy thin ones. I'm going to have to order online I think, hence this post.

* IONS: 10US felt comfortable, my toes touched the end of the boot but not uncomfortably. The available size down was a 9 which was quite tight, not painful but my toes were all touching the end of the boot.
I imagine a 9.5 would also be tight but the question is should I aim for tight and a bit uncomfortable to allow for packing out? .

* 32'S: Felt/looked great but only had a 10.5 which was roomy. I'd probably have to guesstimate and get 9.5. They seem to put a huge toe box in there, for those people with just massive toes?
Also not sure if normal lacing is a step back and will get on my tits, is having big traditional lacing a problem?

So anyway, any advice on the fit you aim for from new boots would be great. Also any comments on which boots people prefer/would advise? I would probably swing for the IONS if it weren't for the biiig price tag. If I can save some dough and get an equally as good or better boot then that would be ideal.
Many thanks, sorry for the length, oh and hello.

P.S. intermediate rider, love jumps as much as charging around the slopes, also do a bit of jibbing. Ride buckwild 155, 2013/14 burton genesis, Northwave freedom boots
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some points

-i like traditional lacing, prefer it even

-tm-two sickest boot ever if it fits

-boots should fit very very snug to start, almost uncomfortable, but not - just almost. they will pack out

-aftermarket insoles please (I have had great success with Reminds)
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some points

-i like traditional lacing, prefer it even

-tm-two sickest boot ever if it fits

-boots should fit very very snug to start, almost uncomfortable, but not - just almost. they will pack out

-aftermarket insoles please (I have had great success with Reminds)
Do you have problems with the lacing slackening off through the day? And is the heel hold sufficient on them? That's one thing I noticed with the IONS is that they don't have any heel harness whereas the 32 and northwaves do.

Also, did you size down in them at all or normal shoe size?
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Do you have problems with the lacing slackening off through the day? And is the heel hold sufficient on them? That's one thing I noticed with the IONS is that they don't have any heel harness whereas the 32 and northwaves do.

Also, did you size down in them at all or normal shoe size?
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TM2's = awesome.

The heel hold is great if they fit. That's the biggest issue... they have a huge toebox but the lenght-to-size is a little short... so if you have really narrow and long feet maybe they will not hold enough. Same applies to any boot... ie you gotta try them.

Once you tighten the laces, they go nowhere and 0 pressure points. I am very sensitive to pressure points and almost all boas i've tried give me hot spots. Havent tried speed laces, which i guess should be good as well.

I'm guessing Ions are great too. I may try them when the TMs bite the dust.

Normal lacing is a total non-issue. People seem to want to save mins to get into gear. Minutes which mean nothing; and frankly unless your boots are a poor fit, you should be able to tie them and forget em for the whole day.

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I love the Tm-Two as well but the one thing I really hate about them is the lack of grip.

The whole outsole is made of foam and as a result there is basically no grip. Something to think about if you are leaning towards the Tm-two.
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I love the Tm-Two as well but the one thing I really hate about them is the lack of grip.

The whole outsole is made of foam and as a result there is basically no grip. Something to think about if you are leaning towards the Tm-two.
TOTALLY agree!

I had a baaaad spill once on the parking lot. Man... it was pretty embarrasing. I had to laugh at myself, but it even hurt my knee so I was in real pain.

What I did was run the soles on a skateboard (grip tape)... problem solved, i think.

Also no grip at all on wet/slushy days unless you have a grippy stomp pad.
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TM2's = awesome.
Do you tie the laces a fancy way? I've seen a couple of people on the hill with what looks like double threaded laces or something. Problem I have with trad is that they loosen between each set of eyelets when you try and tie them.

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I love the Tm-Two as well but the one thing I really hate about them is the lack of grip.

The whole outsole is made of foam and as a result there is basically no grip. Something to think about if you are leaning towards the Tm-two.
Hm I don't like the sound of that. Particularly enjoy having decent grip for skating. Is this a problem with a particular years model?

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TOTALLY agree!

I had a baaaad spill once on the parking lot. Man... it was pretty embarrasing. I had to laugh at myself, but it even hurt my knee so I was in real pain.

What I did was run the soles on a skateboard (grip tape)... problem solved, i think.

Also no grip at all on wet/slushy days unless you have a grippy stomp pad.
Did you guys size down or go with your regular shoe size?
Looks like I can get the 2014 tm-two stevens version for $200 in an 8.5
Whereas the ION is looking like $368 but is 2015.

Any improvements in the 2015 tm-two vs 2014?
Just the trad lacing (and now the grip) holding me back on the tm-two

Also anyone repping the ion/decade? Sounds like the tm-two is the general favourite on here.
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The ions are really good too. I've commented on the TM2 because it's what i use and they are great, so totally recommend them. I'm sure whoever has tried the ions would probably recommend them too. It's mostly about fit.

The grip is no big deal. Wear out the smooth finishing of STi foam either on the parking lot or with sandpaper and it gets decent grip. And a stomp pad for skating if you find its too slippery.

I tie the laces normally. No need to get all funky and creative with laces of all things. Tie them up normally, they work.

With time you learn to tie them without anything loosening up. To me, the choice of customizing my tightness and no pinch pts is worth more than the 3 mins you save with boa. Really.. lacing up takes like 3 mins.

I use same size as my shoes, but that depends on your foot and which shoes you normally base your size on. So you really have to try the boots to know. Maybe go to a shoe store and measure your feet properly...

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The ions are really good too. I've commented on the TM2 because it's what i use and they are great, so totally recommend them. I'm sure whoever has tried the ions would probably recommend them too. It's mostly about fit.

The grip is no big deal. Wear out the smooth finishing of STi foam either on the parking lot or with sandpaper and it gets decent grip. And a stomp pad for skating if you find its too slippery.

I tie the laces normally. No need to get all funky and creative with laces of all things. Tie them up normally, they work.

With time you learn to tie them without anything loosening up. To me, the choice of customizing my tightness and no pinch pts is worth more than the 3 mins you save with boa. Really.. lacing up takes like 3 mins.

I use same size as my shoes, but that depends on your foot and which shoes you normally base your size on. So you really have to try the boots to know. Maybe go to a shoe store and measure your feet properly...
Thanks. Sounds like they are both good boots... not sure if the ion is worth the extra dosh at the moment. Main reason for me favouring it is the lacing systems which seems a superficial way to judge it.

If money was absolutely no object would you guys still get the tm-two over ion?

EDIT: Maybe stupid question, but how are laces customisable in different areas? Surely the laces generally relax and the pressure ends up spreading evenly through the boot anyway? thnx

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Well, nobody can speak for everyone if they are worth the extra $. But ppl buy them, so it is worth it to someone.

Lacing system is an important feature. Some people like boa and would not get anything else, others can't stand boa... others ok with speed lacing or normal lacing. Others don't care.

Laces are 'customizable' in that you can tighten each specific area as you please. Double boa sort of takes care of this, but not all the way... there's even triple boa to try and match this. Depends on your foot shape/size and all that... then it varies a bit depending even on your socks
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