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I just bought a pair of Salomon Dialogue boots. The boots were kind of cramped in the toe, so the guy at the local shop suggested that I have them heat molded. He took the insoles out of the boots and put them over some stacks that emitted heat. He had me put toe caps on under my socks and then once the boots were ready, I put them on, tightened them up and walked around the store for 15 minutes.

This was my first time having boots heat molded. I think it worked well, but having looked up the process of how it should have been done, I understand that walking around the store and flexing the boots may have been a bad idea. They seem to fit well. When I'm in riding stance my toes now barely graze the end of the liner. However, do you think that me having walked around and flexed the boots while there were molding, would have damaged the fit?
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They fit well but you think you damaged the fit? Wth....put the boots on and ride.
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No, they are fine. Heat-molding is not a one shot deal either, it just speeds up the normal process created from the warmth of your feet. Your liner will continue to mold around your feet as you ride.
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Anytime I've had my boots heat molded I had to stand in them for about 10-15 minutes and then they had me walk around a bit. It sounds like you got the outcome you wanted though, they're comfortable out of the box and the fit is good.

I cannot think of any reason what you did do would have caused any damage. As Altephor mentioned, one of the benefits (but not the only thing) of heat molding is that it instantly break in your boot without have to put 30+ days of overall wear & tear on the boot.
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Hi Bro,

For what its worth that was not done correctly. No damage is done, but you can get a much better fit.

By walking during the heat fit process you essentially "crush down" the heated foam everywhere. This eliminates the selective benefit of heat fitting.

You want to flex your knees forward so they align over your mid-foot and stand still until the liner is entirely cool.

Toe caps or not during heat fitting? Age old question. For a performance fit, no. Spoiler opinion. This is often suggested by manufacturers and shops because it helps the easy sell even though long term it produces a boot that is effectively lower performance than its potential. If you need to "blow out" a hot spot area that should be done selectively. The only time a full toe cap should be used is if the whole toe is overly pressured.

You wrote, "When I'm in riding stance my toes now barely graze the end of the liner". That indicates that your fit has made too much room. I would highly suggest that you go back and ask to be fit without caps and while standing still.


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Once the heat moldable liner is packed out around the toes, as it is now, how will re-heat molding help? The room has already been created. Will heat molding again make the foam re-inflate back to its initial form? If so, Why wouldn't I just let this happen naturally at this point while I wear the boots while snowboarding?
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Once the heat moldable liner is packed out around the toes, as it is now, how will re-heat molding help? The room has already been created. Will heat molding again make the foam re-inflate back to its initial form? If so, Why wouldn't I just let this happen naturally at this point while I wear the boots while snowboarding?
Yes, once reheated the liner will go back to its "molten" form where the material can then be redistributed. This will only happen with heat.


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No, they are fine. Heat-molding is not a one shot deal either, it just speeds up the normal process created from the warmth of your feet. Your liner will continue to mold around your feet as you ride.
If youre looking for the "perfect" fit is heat-molding necessary? Or will the same results be acheived by just wearing and riding over (longer) time?
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If youre looking for the "perfect" fit is heat-molding necessary? Or will the same results be acheived by just wearing and riding over (longer) time?
Heat-molding just speeds up the process. Your boots will pack around your feet as you ride a lot as well. But I believe most shops heat-mold for free or a very low fee so if you have fitment issues out of the box that can be fixed with heat molding, why not?
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So do not heat mold if not necessary out of the box unless you have fitment issues and need to redistribute some materials and eliminate pressure points. The liner will mold around your foot over time with normal use. Otherwise heat molding will unecessarily speed up the breakdown of the foam and shorten the lifespan. Experts did I get that right?
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