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Old 08-03-2010, 03:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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At size 11, you're right on the cusp of "wide" and if your boots have been made in the last 5 years they probably have a footprint-reduction technology to reduce drag anyways. A pinky finger one way or the other isn't likely to wreck you.

A few things to consider: remember your feet are not at the narrowest point, so you probably get a few mm's more play depending on your stance. Also, the optimal amount of overhang (both heelside & toeside) is not Zero - you need some overhang to be able to apply pressure to your edges effectively.

251 probably be OK.
Good points, and if I recall correctly you use 32 boots, which are not exactly known for footprint reduction or bulk reduction- they tend to run on the bulky side of things.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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251 is less than 10 inches across at its narrowest point which seems quite narrow to me but then again I've been riding 265s for the last decade. 255 really isn't that much bigger...

At the end of the day we're talking in millimeters, there are 25.4 of them per inch. So the waist difference between your K2 Believer and my NS Legacy, 15mm, is only about 0.6" -- literally the width of my pinky finger.

At size 11, you're right on the cusp of "wide" and if your boots have been made in the last 5 years they probably have a footprint-reduction technology to reduce drag anyways. A pinky finger one way or the other isn't likely to wreck you.

A few things to consider: remember your feet are not at the narrowest point, so you probably get a few mm's more play depending on your stance. Also, the optimal amount of overhang (both heelside & toeside) is not Zero - you need some overhang to be able to apply pressure to your edges effectively.

251 probably be OK.
Thanks a lot for this David Z, I've been worrying about overhang but this boosted my confidence on everything.

I'll make sure to look for boots with the footprint reduction technology when I buy them.

If I had done more research on all of this before I bought my board I would have realized that I probably should have bought my boots/bindings first. lol
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Good points, and if I recall correctly you use 32 boots, which are not exactly known for footprint reduction or bulk reduction- they tend to run on the bulky side of things.
Yeah, still rocking 32s. They're not the smallest but they've changed the profile in the past few years and I think excessive overhang is less of an issue than it maybe was in the past.

What the OP is going to want to look for in boot profile, since I'm not sure of "footprint reduction technology" is really the technical term: the sole should kind of have a taper especially on the toe but probably a little on the heel too, almost like those hideous Skechers "Shape-up" shoes that Joe Montana is pimping these days. It will not be as pronounced as those uglies, though!

This allows them to construct, for example, a size 11 boot with an effective footprint that might really measure like a size 10.

Check out the attached picture (excuse my crappy photoshopping job) that kind of shows what I mean. The boot on the left is a Burton Sabbath, and the one on the right is a 32. You can on the Burton there is curvature which reduces the footprint. There is none really on the hell of the 32, and only a little bit on the toe.
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Interesting, I thought Burton actually did something with the thickness of the shell / liner- didn't Salomon do that for their F-series (with apparently cold boots as a result)?
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They may have done something with the shell/liner, too. I read something along those lines for Salomons but I'm not an expert
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Okay thanks a lot, I'll make sure to look for that.
If I need to, which I may not even have to from the way it's looking, I'll get toe/heel risers. I know some people say that they dislike them because of the different feel they give etc. etc. but since I haven't riden this board yet and I'm used to terrible rental boards I don't think it'd make much difference to me.
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Old 08-06-2010, 02:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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interesting comments. Im going to buy a board (after years of renting - really terrible but I have learned snowboarding on them so thank you ) and I had similar question as You. I have 10,5 US size of my shoes (hope boots also) and i dont know if I have to buy a wide version of snb.I dont like wide things generally
Isnt here an option to move whole binging as back as possible so then there will be a danger of heel overhang? hm maybe I will buy boots first, check how much milimeters are they and then use some physics and maths
while browsing online shops with boards.
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you shouldn't have any problem with 10.5 boot unless you're on a super narrow board. You will not be able to move the bindings "back" because the inserts for the binding mounts are pre-drilled, centered on the board.

Again, you want some overhang on each side in order to apply correct pressure to the edges. My boots are probably about 12" from end to end, so that's about 305mm. That leaves me about 40-50 mm, or approximately 1" overhang on each heel and toe.
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It Is Better To Go With The Wider Board And Not Have To Worry About Overhang I Have A Size 12.5 Boot So I Know This First Hand And I Ride Duck.
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It Is Better To Go With The Wider Board And Not Have To Worry About Overhang
This is definitely not always true, especially for the riders here with sizes 10.5/11 boots. If the board you get is too wide (yes, this is possible) then you will have problems. You'll have difficulty pressuring your edges and the board will be slower edge-to-edge.

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I Have A Size 12.5 Boot So I Know This First Hand And I Ride Duck.
With a size 12.5 pretty much everyone will agree that you'll be better off with a wide board but sizes 11 and smaller probably not.
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