they were too big , everywhere. except toe box. my toes touch even with 12's.
too big in the middle of the foot, and I could probably lift me heel up a few inches too.
I tried 11-11.5's on that were saloman factions, felt ok but toes barely touched, lean forward not at all. Heard this isn't a good fit.
Even these, I could pull my heel up a bit, but the tops were almost too tight.
I've tried on about 25 different boots, I've exhausted what is sold in this area.