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Old 01-04-2011, 04:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just picked up a pair of Ride Insanos and rode them for 15 days at Steamboat. Great boot. Stiff, responsive, boa system is pretty nice too AND the liner is heat moldable.

Now, I'm into stiff boots because I'm pretty much a directional boarder who loves carving trenches. But until last week I had no idea how much boot flex I put into turns.

Well, late last week the temps dropped to sub zero. (A *high* of zero F at the base. Maybe -10 at the summit early morning.) I wake up early and make my way up to Storm Peak and I'm the first guy staring down at a perfectly groomed blue with an inch of fresh on the top.

I'm super fired up because the morning before I was the first guy down the same run with three inches of fresh on top... and it was paradise. Top to bottom speed run with on-rail turns 25+ yards in length.

So, this morning should be more of the same as far as I'm concerned. I start my run and almost immediately I feel really unstable in my turns so I'm trying to bleed speed with every turn. Even with the wide sloppy turns I had to work the board like crazy.

I then hit some flats with a good amount of speed thinking I could lay it down there but still I'm completely sketched out. WTF?

I get to the bottom of the run and notice that my toes are really cold but not cold enough to where I can't feel them. So I lean forward in my boots and they don't budge. They were frozen solid. I'm talking hard boot solid. But I thought I loved stiff boots!!!

I had a couple more runs thinking that I would get used to the stiffness but no go. It was like a different sport all together.

Anyways, if it looks like you will be boarding in super cold conditions consider a non-heat moldable boot or a non-heat moldable backup pair. I had two days that were more work than fun because I didn't.

Also, keep in mind that the flex in heat-moldable liners probably change progressively (up to a certain point). I think I was getting different rides with them when it was 30F vs 15F vs 0F vs -10F. At the time I didn't notice the difference in flex but, in retrospect, on the days that approached 10F or colder, I was noticably more tentative with my turns.

Really cold days may be the exception rather than the rule but it's not a bad idea to have a backup plan.
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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thanks for posting this here i was actually considering picking up the insanos for a trip im going on later this season but in case it gets too cold i guess i should get different ones... maybe those pimp celcius ones.....
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds like something I had happen to me with my 08 boxers. On one day I couldn't ride comfortably to save my life with the same thing you described. Later I figured out that the outer part of my liner was wet and I assumed that it was cold enough to override(best word I could think of) the body heat from my foot and that the liner actually froze. Only happened once and It was cold weather, just barely 0 degrees f.
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thanks for posting this here i was actually considering picking up the insanos for a trip im going on later this season but in case it gets too cold i guess i should get different ones... maybe those pimp celcius ones.....
Didn't mean to totally scare you off of the Insanos... or any heat moldable liner/boot for that matter as I don't know if it's just the Insano liner or all heat-moldable liners that behave this way. I see it as another factor in the decision.

I'm keeping my Insanos for now and hoping I don't run into that sort of extreme weather anytime soon.
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Are you sure your boots weren't just a little wet on the outside of the liners. I know mine get a little wet after a day of riding. Just a thought.
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I don't understand how the liners getting frozen would have effected anything that much. Sounds like the whole damn boot froze and that's the real problem.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Funny, I was looking at heat moldable boots a month or so ago and my dad warned me of this problem -- he had it happen to him with some moldable ski boots back in the early 80s!
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You can't expect a company to make boots to withold constant -10 F tempuratures..that's just not normal. They should but I'm sure the testing and all that shit takes place in maybe 10 degree minimum weather.
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Your boot froze it fucking happens it's not the company, it's not the liner, it's the conditions you can't help it.
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Your boot froze it fucking happens it's not the company, it's not the liner, it's the conditions you can't help it.
Sounds reasonable to me.
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