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Old 01-25-2012, 02:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i tried a Ride double boa and K2 triple boa system, i like how easy they where and they never loosened up other than breaking in.

The problem i had with both is that the way the boa laces were attatched to the boot cause the boot flex to pinch my ankles which hurt a lot. They were comfortable in store and walking arround my house. but once i started riding is when they started hurting.

I have used regular lace and speedlace boots with out ever having a problem. they are a pain in the ass compared to how easy the boas are though.

im going to try the next years Flow boots out as they aren't designed like the boots i was using.
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I own DC Judges, which are dual zone BOAs, and I prefer them over traditional lacing as well. They are quick to adjust even with your gloves on. You can unlock the dial when walking around and just tighten them down when strapped in. Actually, the only time I find that they need retightening is right after I strap in. Also, I believe the cables come with a lifetime warranty. IMO, if convenience is your thing, you'll dig BOA lacing.

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Old 01-25-2012, 03:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I used K2's T1 double boas last year, and did not spend one day in comfort. It probably wasn't the boa engineering's fault, but the technology is superfluous.

I have boots that fit now, with traditional lacing, and I often won't even untie on a 30 minute lunch break.

Also just to point out if these break on the hill, it could end your day unless you are carrying a replacement kit. I had a cable break, had a replacement ship out quickly for free, only to find that my whole ratchet system was fouled/jammed and I needed more/bigger parts and a much bigger headache then expected. I imagine most on-hill shops these days can deal with almost any boa situation and get you back riding, but I could be wrong.

Also the ratchet system is subject to wear and tear, and can loosen up.

Lots of people around here love the BOA system, and I'm not a hater, but keep in mind there are a few pitfalls...

I fell for boa's, but seriously...what's wrong with laces?

If the boots fit, the material the laces are made from is irrelevant.
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Old 01-25-2012, 04:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I used K2's T1 double boas last year, and did not spend one day in comfort. It probably wasn't the boa engineering's fault, but the technology is superfluous.

I have boots that fit now, with traditional lacing, and I often won't even untie on a 30 minute lunch break.

Also just to point out if these break on the hill, it could end your day unless you are carrying a replacement kit. I had a cable break, had a replacement ship out quickly for free, only to find that my whole ratchet system was fouled/jammed and I needed more/bigger parts and a much bigger headache then expected. I imagine most on-hill shops these days can deal with almost any boa situation and get you back riding, but I could be wrong.

Also the ratchet system is subject to wear and tear, and can loosen up.

Lots of people around here love the BOA system, and I'm not a hater, but keep in mind there are a few pitfalls...

I fell for boa's, but seriously...what's wrong with laces?

If the boots fit, the material the laces are made from is irrelevant.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll just take my old boots and keep them in the car as a contingency.

Thanks again for all the replies. It's nice to hear different sides to it other than "I don't like them just because."
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Old 01-29-2012, 06:20 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Seems like you already got the replies you needed, but I'll go ahead and add my two cents anyway.

I'm riding relatively cheap boots (Vans Encore BOA) with a single BOA system this year. I've got ~12 days riding them so far this season and love them. I did not pick them because they were cheap, but rather because they fit me best of the boots I was able to try on.

I see a lot of hate for the single BOA boots but have found mine to be plenty comfortable, to the point where I put them on before we drive up the mountain and don't even bother loosening them when I eat lunch. The key was figuring out that if I flex the boot a few times while tightening it up it distributes the laces across the whole boot more evenly and lets me tighten things down properly in the first go. Sometimes I'll need to tighten them a bit more halfway through the day because my feet have settled into the boots more or I didn't flex them enough when putting them on for the day but the BOA system itself has never loosened up on it's own.

All that said, my husband had the BOA system on his K2 Maysis boots fail 5 days into the season. The boots are double BOA, with one controlling the boot tightness and the other the liner. The one controlling the boot failed to properly release when he went to take the boots off one day (it would release about one inch of cable but no more) and the only way he was able to get the boot off was by cutting the cable. We were not able to get them repaired on the mountain and he had to just rent boots the following day.

You can pick up a full set of replacement parts for $12 + shipping from BOA if you want extras to have on hand. If your BOA system actually breaks they will sent you replacements for free. There was someone on the mountain who would have been able to fix the boot for us if we'd had the parts, but the store there did not carry replacement BOA parts. He did mention that if it had been a cable that broke he would probably have been able to tie it back together as a short term solution to keep the boots running until we could get a new cable.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:08 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm a first season beginner, so my input should be judged accordingly!

I have gone thru several pairs of boots via REI trying to get a comfortable & proper fit! One speed laced type boot & the rest Boa's.

I settled on the 32 ST's. I like the Boa system myself. I found that they can be WAY over tightened, which is what I was doing (...got plenty of incomplete & bad advice on fit and how to properly strap in)

This point was was touched on briefly in another reply, but I'll add my two cents to elaborate. Concerning loosening. I have not had the cables loosen on their own, but I have found that while I'm Strapping in,.. The bindings tightening down on the boot will sometimes cause "Slack" in the lacing cable. (Getting the bindings where I want them,.. the boots get squeezed a bit tighter than where I have them laced simply for comfort) If I notice this, usually a quick half to 3/4 turn on the nob takes care of it!

I actually have more trouble with my Cartel's binding straps stretching & getting loose during the course of a days riding!
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:17 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I have the K2 Raider Boa boots, and I just used them for the first time this weekend, and never had to retighten them once.
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Thanks guys! I rode the new boots yesterday and they seemed pretty comfortable! Ceridwen, I like your idea of flexing while tightening, so I'll give that a try today.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:11 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I have a pair of the K2 Raider boots as well. Hated them the first couple of days, felt like here was a few bad pressure points. After 6 days or so they packed out nice and now I really like them, no more pressure points or anything at all. These are my first Boa boots (other than my fly fishing boots) and I think the trick is to not overtighten them, which can be easy and tempting to do. If your boots don't feel great the first few days, just give them a little more time before you give up on them. I'll be sticking with the Boa system for the forseeable future. The first few days I think I did a lot of adjusting and re-tightening, but not anymore, I realized that most of the time I was overtightening them if anything.

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Old 01-30-2012, 10:57 PM   #20 (permalink)
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boa is o.k., but I wouldn't buy any boot without dual zone lacing (that would mean double boa). I have heard of people getting stuck in their boots when the boa knob fails.
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