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Old 11-06-2012, 12:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So OK for those who haven't kept up, I'm a total n00b. Absolutely zero experience in snow sports of any kind.

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Moved to Northern BC this summer. Been buying up gear since Aug/Sept getting ready to learn this year.

There are 2 shittly little local shops within a 40 minute drive for me. The next closest is 2.5 hours.

I'm on my 3rd pair of boots so far...

1. 2012 Salomon Dialogue Wides - I didn't know shit when I bought them and neither did the idiot selling them to me. They were a full size too big and packed out like a mutha. I couldn't even touch the end of the boot if I tried when laced in.

Needless to say, these boots are too big.

2. Traded for 2012 Salomon F2.0's. Much better boot with reduced foot print tech and a much more "even" flex. Fit my bindings better and much less overhang. Wore them in the shop for like 30 - 40 minutes and the tech that sold them to me was really cool. Unfortunately when I got them home and put them back on a couple days later they seemed really narrow and were kind of crushing my foot width wise. I think they were tight overall, but once they started to conform to my foot the narrowness became more apparent.

So, these boots are too small.

3. Took the F2.0's back and the only other boot they had at that shop was the 2012 Malamute. The tech told me they were way too stiff and unless I was in the back country hitting 40' kickers I didn't need those boots.

So, I went to the other shop where they only carry Burton and 32. Not many models and all last years shit (but for full pop, fuckers). Anyway, tried on everything they had (not much) and settled on a pair of Burton Ambush. Paid $280 for last years shit. However, that is not my concern. Although they are crazy comfy, my issue is that they seem really soft and when I lean in to them the flex isn't very "smooth" and all the weight stacks right on top of my foot.

This boot is too soft...

I tried on the Imperial and liked it better, but they only had it a 1/2 size up from my US9.

Sooo, is this boot too soft?... Keep in mind that I will be riding mostly ungroomed "side country" and itermediate to advanced terrain (because that's all there is at Shames) at my local hill. These will also be paired with a 2012 Raygun 159 and Lg Formulas also 2012's.

My first inclination is to return the boots and order the imperials in a 2013 online. I know I should support my local, but the 2 idiots working at the 2nd shop kept acting like I was wasting their time and the one helping me knew exactly fuck-all! He doesn't even ride. WTF?

Anyway, so before Shred flames me for yet another "what boot do I get" thread... What do you all think I should do? I could also call the shop and have them get me a size 9 Imperial in. As long as it was the same price as online it wouldn't be a big deal.

Thoughts?

Stick with the Ambush, go back to the first shop and try the Malamutes, or Order the Imperials either from the shop or online? Is there another boot (maybe Burton) that I should try? The first shop is phasing out snowboard gear in favor of skis only so if I have anyone "bring in" something it will have to be Burton or 32 from the "other" shop.

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Old 11-06-2012, 12:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you say you like the imperials better, I would order those. You need to be 100% completely comfortable in your boots.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah get the Imperials. I'm also thinking of imperials. They fit good width wise?

32's are the only boot I've word that works with my width, but then there is too much volume elsewhere (skinny ankles, heel and low volume foot)
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Yeah get the Imperials. I'm also thinking of imperials. They fit good width wise?

32's are the only boot I've word that works with my width, but then there is too much volume elsewhere (skinny ankles, heel and low volume foot)
Can't comment on width for you, but they seemed good to me. Does Burton make 32s? Cuz they seemed very similar in liner and construction. The lashed I tried were even softer than the Ambush, or so it seemed.

Think I'll at least call my local and have them bring in some Imperials in my size.
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No 32 is 32. The Lashed is kind of equivalent to the Burton Moto, top seller, pretty soft and parky. The TM-Two should be perfect for you. Also don't be scared of getting a pretty stiff boot, as long as its not like a hardboot and you aren't riding all skatey style in the park, the support of a stiff boot really helps you to turn with your legs. There are caveats on either side for a noob, sloppiness of a soft boot can bite you as much as the lack of forgiveness in a hard one, honestly it won't matter what you learn to ride in since you have nothing to compare it to. All that matters is comfort.

If your nearest shops are 40 minutes away and full of dooshbags, I wouldn't feel that much pressure to support them with your boot purchase. Maybe go back to the guy who was cool for bindings and stuff, but you gotta get the right shit for your feet, and when you begin, that process can take a season or 2.

Also Remind insoles unless you already have or plan to afford full customs.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Tried the TM II, wasn't crazy about the old-skool laces. Seemed like a PITA.

Just got off the phone with the owner of the shop I bought the Burtons from. He apologized for his shit staff and told me I should have got a 20% discount on the 2012 Ambush purchase. He also told me he has a 2013 Ambush in a 9 (they didn't show me) and he also ordered more Imperials should I want to try them.

I may make the drive this afternoon to get rid of these 2012's and try the 2013's. He also suggested that I may like the 2013's better and that the Imperials would definately hold up better than the Ambush. I told him I was going for a 30 day first season and he said the Imperial might be a better boot. However, the Ambush is lighter and more flexible. Talk about non-committal. How the fuck should I know, I'm a n00b!

I know you said the process may take a couple of years, I just hate to throw down $350 only to find that I don't like the boots and I want to go softer or stiffer half-way through the season.

As for the reminds, don't think I can get those in Canada without paying a shitload of shipping and what not. Probably have to go Sole I think...

So, for a n00B who wants to eventually ride trees and catch big air also maybe some hiking and BC late in the season or early next year would you go Ambush or Imperial?

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No 32 is 32. The Lashed is kind of equivalent to the Burton Moto, top seller, pretty soft and parky. The TM-Two should be perfect for you. Also don't be scared of getting a pretty stiff boot, as long as its not like a hardboot and you aren't riding all skatey style in the park, the support of a stiff boot really helps you to turn with your legs. There are caveats on either side for a noob, sloppiness of a soft boot can bite you as much as the lack of forgiveness in a hard one, honestly it won't matter what you learn to ride in since you have nothing to compare it to. All that matters is comfort.

If your nearest shops are 40 minutes away and full of dooshbags, I wouldn't feel that much pressure to support them with your boot purchase. Maybe go back to the guy who was cool for bindings and stuff, but you gotta get the right shit for your feet, and when you begin, that process can take a season or 2.

Also Remind insoles unless you already have or plan to afford full customs.
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Tried the TM II, wasn't crazy about the old-skool laces. Seemed like a PITA.
Don't worry, this forum is chock full of people for whom laces and the tying of can be a deterrent

I learned like 30+ years ago and it never got harder. But I've always been called a bit of a prodigy when it comes to lacing up my shoes and boots, so maybe I'm just super gifted and should be more understanding of you lesser beings.

Fancy lacing systems are so fancy and fast, it takes me like a good 45 seconds to tie my boots, everyones like WTF is up wiht this guy can we go snowboarding now....



fwiw I have a pair each of Lashed and TM2 and they are both traditional lacing. I'm probably a 1/4 size, so I wear 9's with the liners switched on em and they frankenfit great.
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It's not so much tying as re-tying or double-knotting then untying wet laces. Fuck that. Plus lets say you want to loosen your boots on the lift, more bullshit I say...

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Don't worry, this forum is chock full of people for whom laces and the tying of can be a deterrent

I learned like 30+ years ago and it never got harder. But I've always been called a bit of a prodigy when it comes to lacing up my shoes and boots, so maybe I'm just super gifted and should be more understanding of you lesser beings.

Fancy lacing systems are so fancy and fast, it takes me like a good 45 seconds to tie my boots, everyones like WTF is up wiht this guy can we go snowboarding now....



fwiw I have a pair each of Lashed and TM2 and they are both traditional lacing. I'm probably a 1/4 size, so I wear 9's with the liners switched on em and they frankenfit great.
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It's not so much tying as re-tying or double-knotting then untying wet laces. Fuck that. Plus lets say you want to loosen your boots on the lift, more bullshit I say...


I have the 32 Lashed. You get the hang of lacing them on the lift. It's not that hard. Where I ride I take a gondola to the top and I can re-lace both boots--inner lining and outer boot in a packed gondola and still have time to check my phone and put my gloves and helmet back on before unloading. If Im sitting on a quad chair solo or with one other person I can relace my free foot I can adjust the strapped in foot but that's a bit more difficult.


32s were the only boots that fit my super wide feet, I had Burtons previously and they were HELL. I demoed a pretty new pair of the Lashed for a day and I thought I would want a slightly stiffer but wasn't really sure so I bought them. After putting about 20 days on them they softened up too much but not so much that they are unwearable. I can really crank the laces and get them almost where I want them. That usually leaves me with blisters on my hands. I used to race bikes and I always wanted my cycling shoes super fucking tight and I adjust my pedals so I needed a lot of torque to twist out of them. Old habits I guess?

Anyway, boots being too soft for your riding style probably isn't the end of the world. They don't last forever you know!
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Anyway, boots being too soft for your riding style probably isn't the end of the world. They don't last forever you know!
Just got home with a pair of 2013 32 Lashed in white w/speed laces. They are better than the Burtons width wise and I get less heel lift, even when trying to pull them up. That, and it really helped to spend an hour with the owner who A. has been riding for 20 years & B. Isn't a fucking idiot.

This boot is just right.

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