Boots faq and etc
Edit 6/2013...some of the links to pics have messed up...here is a link to the pic album
idk mods...perhaps sticky at top of boots....I'm tired of boot fitting questions.
Boots are arguably the most important part of your set up. Everybody’s feet are different and most boots need some mods/adjustment to be comfortable and to get performance. Also go for the highest quality boot you can….they will feel better and last longer. Boots will break-in, wear and pack-out. However you can do things to keep them fitting comfortable and performing well. Over my 9 years if riding I gone through 9-10 pairs of boots and during the past few have finally got it pretty much dial-in as to size model and dealing with pack-out. You will be damm lucky if your first pair without any mods work for you.
The single best thing to do is to try on a lot of boots…different brands, models, sizes and then get then dialed in…..find a quality boot fitter
Originally Posted by Cycle4Fun
You need to find a quality boot fitter. Then it may take several days of riding and boot fitter sessions to get the boot dialed in.
A good boot fitter at a shop will start you off with the right boot for your unique foot shape and riding style. You'll start with the right size and go out and try it. Then you come back and describe in great detail what you're experiencing. You'll walk out with different insoles and/or wedges and go ride the next day. Repeat until things don't hurt and numbness goes away.
I did this with my fiancé on her ski's last year. Her boots had worn out and were too soft. She was badly bruising her bone after a 1/2 day of riding. A couple of days was enough to bring her to near tears after a run despite constant icing at night and pain killers.
We went to an expert boot fitter and got new boots. New boots helped a ton, but were too loose in the toe and she had heal lift. She got an insert and went back out. Better, but not perfect. Heal wedges stopped the last of the heal lift. Came back to the resort the next week to buy the new skis she demo'd and verify the boot fit despite the fact that the conditions were awful. It took one more round of boot fitting to get the boots dialed in.
Modify and check. Repeat. It's no different than bicycle, saddle, and bike shoe fitting.
Get to a good bootfitter. They won't be happy until you're happy. Don't BS yourself and waste money trying this boot and that boot because other people say it fits their feet. Their feet aren't yours.
Which is why you should go to a reputable boot fitter. Your boot could be too wide, to narrow, not enough arch support, poor heal fit, poor ankle fit, too loose. The list of potential problems is huge. Any of which could contribute to numbness.
People suggesting different boots are shooting in the dark. What works for them, may not work for you!
If you do not have a quality boot fitter or want to do a diy….continue
You can make your own butterflies, h, c, or j with some 1/4" adhevisive backed foam...get a piece of it from your local core ski /board shop…it should not cost more than a few dollars. Cover the butterflies, c/j/h with some tape…I use “hurricane” nylon web tape and found it is slicker to get liners in/out of the shell and it doesn’t roll like duct tape.
You can do c's, j's, butterfly's, put a bit of 1/4" or 1/8" self adhesive foam in the front/tongue of the liner. Any good ski shop has it and could sell you a piece to cut your own or have them do it, take your boots in. Also make sure that you really cinch down the inner lace on the 32 focus boas and then you can leave the lower boa looser. I also use hurricane tape (also makes them slide in/out easier than duct or other tape) over the c's/padding so they don't rip off when you insert/remove the liners for drying. Besides the c's there is a bit of foam above the heel area...so it makes a little pocket for the heel to set in and then with the inner lace cinched down there is no heel lift. To position the c's just put on the liner mark where your ankle bone sticks out and place the c so that it would cup that protrusion. I also use ed vessieurs "sole" insoles due to high arches...all snowboard boot inserts are pretty much garbage so a good footbed can/will also help.
Heel hold kit or make your own
If it is these, they go on the outside of the liner...between the liner/shell...in my pic the orange c's are covered with white tape so the don't rip off when I remove the liner from the shell after each day to dry both the shell and liner. The bigger thing is the butterfly, the upper things are the c's and below are the j's....the c's and j's go on each side of the liner, two per liner You can use any or all in a combination, imho/imhe use the butterfly first then add the c and later the j if you need more...adding layer/build up will pinch the heel/ankle more. If you get the foam sheet, just cut out in the same as in the picture.
see the black circle on the liner's in the above pic...the butterfly is almost placed in the right spot in the above pic...that is where you paste the butterfly...then it wraps around the back to the other circle on the other side of the liner. Then if you need more pinch add the c or j bar on top of that...followed by covering it all with tape so that it doesn't rip off when putting the liner back in the boot. I don't know how much clearer it could be. perhaps try it with out peeling the backing of the sticky and just tape it on with some scotch tape...take some pics and post it up
But before you do this; Are you adding any kind of footbed or heel lift to the liner? If yes, especially a heel lift; put the liner on first to confirm where your ankle bone is. It should sit inside the dark C of the boot liner.
The C shape (of the butterfly and C) are made to go around the ankle bone. Otherwise, you are creating a pressure point.
Boots with laces, or dual boas….you can do dual or zone tightness by how you lace them up....leave the bottom section loose, tie off at the ankle then cinch the cuff down tight
Have average size ankles and no ankle problems. I tighten the cuff to hold my foot into the heel pocket (which is mainly done with the inner laces on 32's) and more importantly so that I get the toeside leverage/response. Love the 32 focus boas for the ease of adjustment and often ride with the lower boa barely snug but cinch the cuff down and also have the inner lace pretty tight and it hasn't reduced blood flow to my foot. In the past had 32 305 and another model? with laces and actually the laces imho work better for more tweakability for comfort than the boas but the boas are so damm adjustable on the fly. I will often pop loose the cuff boa for the chair and then if dropping a gnarly line will really tighten them up verses just cruising groomers the cuff will be just snug.
I've got a high instep and a high arch and need a heel lift to fit my boot. It also pulls my foot back, so I can fit into my correct boot size (instead of sizing up). It is counter intuitive but it worked for me and I'm not going to question the boot fitter.
try insoles like superfeet or ed's sole and take a look at the above thread...
Originally Posted by wrathfuldeity
fwiw foot numbness can also be from pressure on a peripheral nerve. Some of this is counter-intituitive...I used to have numbness but when I finally put in some good insoles that supported my high arch that did the trick and allowed me to loosen the lower boot, gain more response, comfort and no more numbness.
Preventing numb toes while snowboarding
Dogfunk.com - Snowboard Boot Buyer's Guide from Dogfunk.com
I've spent an hour in a bike shop getting rid of hotspots. I ended up with a wedge, and a specialized insole with proper arch support and a metatarsal button to keep my feet bones from crunching on power transfer. This is the same type of problem, different sport.
Boot maintenance and repair
Drying….if you can dry immediately after every day of riding, take the liners and insoles out. Use very low heat or no heat…just air flow works great.
Stench of boots, liners, gloves, goggle frames, jackets…my reciepe is to dip and soak with McNett MiraZyme…follow the directions…let it soak then just hang and let it air dry.
If its really bad do the above and then; after its dry make up a paste of baking soda and water and smear it on…nice and heavy, let it dry. Then use white vinegar…pour it on, soak and let it foam; then rinse well with water and hang it in the bright sun to dry….this has not failed yet. Do it at the end of the season so you got fresh smelling stuff for the fall.
Boot repair…the best stuff used yet is again a McNett product called “Freesole”. Their “aquaseal” will also work but it is not as abrasion resistant and imho does not stick as well…but darn good. Use it where there is binding/boot wear, to seal up edge cuts and etc. As you can see the old 305’s are trashed (but feel like slippers) but are kept for back up and would last a couple of days.
Freesole® Urethane Formula Shoe Repair
Pics of stuff
hurricane tape and foam sheet with adhesive backing
right new liner, middle old liner with diy c and butter fly, left c and butterfly covered with hurricane tape
butterfly wrapped around back
pad on the tongue to push back the ankle and to deal with a hot spot
right insole=trash, middle=abit better, left=good fit for me
note the arch support
dual zone lacing...tie a crossover knot and wrap around the boot (need long laces) to keep the foot loose and then cinch down the cuff
cinch down the inner lace harness to keep the foot pulled back in to the heel pocket
moar pics....now I'm done
freesole...works better more durable than aquaseal
diy boot, liner and mitten dryer
wraith I like the boot glove dryer. 3 of us ride together often hard to dry out all the gear. I can do the plumbing, my question what are you using for a heat and blower motor source hard to tell from the pics.
Slyder I had the same issue....trying to dry all the stuff. No heat...really just a small amount of air flow overnight and its done. It's just a small squirrel cage blower with electric motor that found for $5 at a building material recycle store a few years ago...its an all steel industrial thing that weighs like 20 lbs but is fairly quiet. It would be easy to jerry rig a bathroom or stove hood thing or one of those old portable hair dryers with to tube and plastic hair cap. The pvc and T's also gotten at the building recycle place; is not even glued up and there are caps to block off the un-used ones. The whole thing cost me about $15 and a few minutes of time.
Perhaps easier is like my diy ion cannon... a pvc 3 or 4" with an old (6 vdc iirc) computer fan wired up to a matching vdc wall wart then do up an adapter to the rack piping.
I love the computer fan idea cuz I have one. They are powerful and quiet. I'll post some pics of mine when I get here all done. Thanks for the idea and input !!!
Hey Wrath, (...you don't mind if I call U Wrath, do U?) :dunno: ;)
Great Topic & post! Very interesting information. I second the idea of a "sticky" or FAQ on the subject! Really appreciate your take on OP's boot fit/foot problem advise.
I've had shoe, boot (work/hiking/snow/cowboy) fit problems ALL my life. So I am keenly aware that OP's feet are not "My" feet!!! (Although, I guess even a shot in the dark is better than nothing when you haven't a clue how to solve the problem.) I am fortunate in that after my first 5-6 weeks of "Terrible" trouble & intense pain while going through several different brands of SB Boots,.. I stumbled on to a pair that fit and feel pretty darn good.
I also found your DIY gear dryer particularly interesting.
Might I suggest you split this post into two subjects, or post a second topic for the gear dryer? I only mention this because I think others would find it particularly helpful and it isn't something they would find unless they happened to be looking in to read more on the topic of your "Boot Fit Advise" like I did!
Just a thought.
...besides, I would like to learn more about building one myself! (...I'm not particularly creative or intuitive with mechanical type stuff!! More of an "Arrteeeeast" myself! ;) )
Bump. This needs a sticky :thumbsup:
hot spots...potential remedy
You can add or take away liner material. Adding involves adding bits of adhesive foam...and taking away involves shaving bits of the liner off. Put your foot in the liner, use a sharpie to draw or shade in exactly where the pressure points are. Then carefully remove a bit of the liner...I'd use a grinding wheel or a small grinding wheel on a drill or a wood rasp to just take-off maybe a 16th or 8th of an inche off that spot...A LITTLE GOES A LONG WAY...don't try to take too much off at one time. Then go ride and see if that does it, if not repeat. Once you get it tweaked then smear a bit of McNett freesole on top of the grind spot to keep the liner intact.
If you grind too much off, just build it back up with the adhesive foam.
Love the dryer. Shit, tapping a furnace supply line would take 10 minutes. In my house the heat is always on.
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