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Old 12-23-2012, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Be prepared to laugh, while I'm prepared to be flamed. I'm in the midst of a major boot problem being about 1200 bucks in with no comfortable fit.

I'll thank anyone in advance for reading this whole thing and offering a suggestion.

I replaced my DC judge boots with Ions start of the season. After only a few days out I noticed that the top needed to be tightened after every run. Basically it felt like I had no support from ankle up. Here is where the shit storm starts. Not only do the ions not give me support above the ankle I'm convinced therre is something wrong with the lacing system because what little crappy support I get loosens after every run. I'll try and warranty/return them.

This problem presents itself on the first day of a 9 day whistler/Banff snowboard trip so I need a solution fast. I went to a store in whistler told them my problem and asked for a proper fitting "apx 7 out of 10 flex boot". I take the guys advice who puts me in a pair of Ride Insano Boots. Off to Banff I go first day on the run they are nearly unusable ...way too stiff. Holly crap has anyone tried these things? Im not into racing and I asked for a 7 out of 10 type flex. How the fck would the guy at the store put me in these. Now I'm 800 bucks in.

In Banff and not able to return the Insano boots to whistler where I bought them (guy on the phone said he may do nothing at all for me but I'll deal with that later) I need to get boots for the rest of my trip. Out of the ones available to try I buy Soloman Synapse. I have a narrow foot so they fit pretty good, but again they offer no support about my ankle. Its a double BOA so I can tighten the top, but the problem is the top BOA also controls the strap over my ankle so if I tighten it to fit my skinny calf area enough it over tightens my ankle. I was stuffing socks in the upper part of my boot to better support that area.

Now I'm 1200 bucks in with still no comfortable boot.

Can anyone suggest a mid flex boot that fits a narrow foot, and narrow lower calf area? Preferably Something that has a double tighten system where the top portion ONLY tightens the top part and nothing in the bottom or ankle so I can tighten the top area enough and not over tighten the bottom.

I'm considering going back to my DC judges because they fit the bill, but I did get heal lift...maybe I can fix the heal lift easier with an insert?

Now I have to sell new Soloman synapse, try and get my money back for the ill advised Insano boots, and warranty my ions.
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Other then I hope you can salvage your trip
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Thanks...I have had thick pow every day with first tracks every morning, so that helps. Also its fun watching my gf loving her new Never Summer board on her first ever POW experience. That and the Banff Springs hotel is my favorite place in earth. They have a Swiss style restaurant that sells 2L boots of beer which I have had every night by a wood burning fire which helps.

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They have a Swiss style restaurant that sells 2L boots of beer which I have had every night by a wood burning fire which helps.
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Salomon F2.0 or Pledge. Or if you can find them possibly the Deeluxe Brisse.
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Here in lies the problem. Your boot fitters are fucking morons! Now that we've established that lets move on.

When it comes to boot flex a 7 to you could be a 3 to me and vice versa there is no defined method to establish what boot flex is. I ride the stiffest boots K2 makes and I find them too soft after they break in, but they fit so good that I just deal with it.

Now lets look at some ways to remedy this situation.

Take your Insano's and back over them with your car this could potentially break them in or destroy them. Either way it's a win win situation I think.

Second solution rip out the stock insole get an aftermarket off the shelf or a full custom. I recommend full custom as it sounds you need to build up the heel pocket to compensate for a smaller ankle. Next pull out the liner and with that new footbed in there look at where the ankle placement is, mark it with a grease pen, sharpie, blood of a virgin and get some J Bars, C Bars, Butterfly wrap, or some thicker 3m foam. My guess is with your ankle is that you'll need either c bars on top of a butterfly wrap or to cut an O ring then with a j bar on the bottom to suck up some volume.

After putting those on the boot and blasting them quick with a heat gun to help them adhere to the liner put the liner back in the boot. Tighten the boot back up and stand flat footed. From there flex your knee over your toe with all your force and see if there is any lift/aggitation. If yes we proceed, if no get drunk!

Now that we've established that you're still having issues it's time to pull that liner out again and stare at it. Give it a mean glare like you're Clint Eastwood about to shoot it dead on main street. OK now that that's out of the way you'll want either a tongue shim or some more of that 3M Foam. I prefer tongue shims, they're white and easier to cut to the proper shape. Grab one of those and set it in on the outside of the liners tongue (note this won't work with a burrito wrap liner). Duct tape it in place then put the liner back in the boot and tie it up again. Proceed with the knee over the toe flat footed shit. Does it work? Yes, proceed to get drunk and fist fuck a hooker. No? OK, time to move on to more customization.

Take the tongue shim out again, grab your trusty table mounted belt sander and safety glasses. You may also need a razor knife to trim to fit. Don't worry about cutting these things apart it's all good. Trim it to fit the tongue. If it looks like this is the proper thickness and where you need it cut, adhere it to the tongue of the liner put it back in the boot. Did this fix it? If yes continue to flog that farm animal if no turn on the belt sander and put the glasses on. While the sander is going to town put the tongue shim on the belt and sand off a few mm's and remember to bevel the edges, the reason for the beveling is to make the shell tongue wrap around the liner better.

After you do this put it back in the boot. Tie it up. Did this solve the problem? Yes, Cool go shred and come back and fuck 2 Norwegian bikini models. No? OK now we're going to get even more advanced in the boot fitting.

Pull that liner out again, give it a mean stare, again! Good got that out of your system? Now grab some more of that 3M Foam and some duct tape! Build a foam back spine up the back of the boot that looks like a T so that it goes from the base of the heel then branches out around your overly tiny girl calves. Adhere it to the liner, then cover it with duct tape to prevent it from coming off. Put the liner back in the boot, again! Tie it up flex around and shit see if that fixes the problem.

If it fixes the problem send me a personal check for 200 dollars. If it doesn't it's time to check out some more boots.

Now I personally recommend something like the K2 Maysis or T1 DB or UFO. It's a single shell boa which if you know how to flex into a boa boot you can get it tight around the ankle and calf. The internal boa harness is adjustable to the shape of your instep and that helps with ankle issues. It also acts as a double shelled boa without all the bullshit you're dealing. I know your pain as I was forced into the Thraxis (triple boa) due to a boa malfunction of epic proportions.

If none of this works quit snowboarding and take up sit skiing. You'll be the recumbent biker of snowboarding.
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Here in lies the problem. Your boot fitters are fucking morons! Now that we've established that lets move on.

When it comes to boot flex a 7 to you could be a 3 to me and vice versa there is no defined method to establish what boot flex is. I ride the stiffest boots K2 makes and I find them too soft after they break in, but they fit so good that I just deal with it.

Now lets look at some ways to remedy this situation.

Take your Insano's and back over them with your car this could potentially break them in or destroy them. Either way it's a win win situation I think.

Second solution rip out the stock insole get an aftermarket off the shelf or a full custom. I recommend full custom as it sounds you need to build up the heel pocket to compensate for a smaller ankle. Next pull out the liner and with that new footbed in there look at where the ankle placement is, mark it with a grease pen, sharpie, blood of a virgin and get some J Bars, C Bars, Butterfly wrap, or some thicker 3m foam. My guess is with your ankle is that you'll need either c bars on top of a butterfly wrap or to cut an O ring then with a j bar on the bottom to suck up some volume.

After putting those on the boot and blasting them quick with a heat gun to help them adhere to the liner put the liner back in the boot. Tighten the boot back up and stand flat footed. From there flex your knee over your toe with all your force and see if there is any lift/aggitation. If yes we proceed, if no get drunk!

Now that we've established that you're still having issues it's time to pull that liner out again and stare at it. Give it a mean glare like you're Clint Eastwood about to shoot it dead on main street. OK now that that's out of the way you'll want either a tongue shim or some more of that 3M Foam. I prefer tongue shims, they're white and easier to cut to the proper shape. Grab one of those and set it in on the outside of the liners tongue (note this won't work with a burrito wrap liner). Duct tape it in place then put the liner back in the boot and tie it up again. Proceed with the knee over the toe flat footed shit. Does it work? Yes, proceed to get drunk and fist fuck a hooker. No? OK, time to move on to more customization.

Take the tongue shim out again, grab your trusty table mounted belt sander and safety glasses. You may also need a razor knife to trim to fit. Don't worry about cutting these things apart it's all good. Trim it to fit the tongue. If it looks like this is the proper thickness and where you need it cut, adhere it to the tongue of the liner put it back in the boot. Did this fix it? If yes continue to flog that farm animal if no turn on the belt sander and put the glasses on. While the sander is going to town put the tongue shim on the belt and sand off a few mm's and remember to bevel the edges, the reason for the beveling is to make the shell tongue wrap around the liner better.

After you do this put it back in the boot. Tie it up. Did this solve the problem? Yes, Cool go shred and come back and fuck 2 Norwegian bikini models. No? OK now we're going to get even more advanced in the boot fitting.

Pull that liner out again, give it a mean stare, again! Good got that out of your system? Now grab some more of that 3M Foam and some duct tape! Build a foam back spine up the back of the boot that looks like a T so that it goes from the base of the heel then branches out around your overly tiny girl calves. Adhere it to the liner, then cover it with duct tape to prevent it from coming off. Put the liner back in the boot, again! Tie it up flex around and shit see if that fixes the problem.

If it fixes the problem send me a personal check for 200 dollars. If it doesn't it's time to check out some more boots.

Now I personally recommend something like the K2 Maysis or T1 DB or UFO. It's a single shell boa which if you know how to flex into a boa boot you can get it tight around the ankle and calf. The internal boa harness is adjustable to the shape of your instep and that helps with ankle issues. It also acts as a double shelled boa without all the bullshit you're dealing. I know your pain as I was forced into the Thraxis (triple boa) due to a boa malfunction of epic proportions.

If none of this works quit snowboarding and take up sit skiing. You'll be the recumbent biker of snowboarding.
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Here in lies the problem. Your boot fitters are fucking morons! Now that we've established that lets move on.

When it comes to boot flex a 7 to you could be a 3 to me and vice versa there is no defined method to establish what boot flex is. I ride the stiffest boots K2 makes and I find them too soft after they break in, but they fit so good that I just deal with it.

Now lets look at some ways to remedy this situation.

Take your Insano's and back over them with your car this could potentially break them in or destroy them. Either way it's a win win situation I think.

Second solution rip out the stock insole get an aftermarket off the shelf or a full custom. I recommend full custom as it sounds you need to build up the heel pocket to compensate for a smaller ankle. Next pull out the liner and with that new footbed in there look at where the ankle placement is, mark it with a grease pen, sharpie, blood of a virgin and get some J Bars, C Bars, Butterfly wrap, or some thicker 3m foam. My guess is with your ankle is that you'll need either c bars on top of a butterfly wrap or to cut an O ring then with a j bar on the bottom to suck up some volume.

After putting those on the boot and blasting them quick with a heat gun to help them adhere to the liner put the liner back in the boot. Tighten the boot back up and stand flat footed. From there flex your knee over your toe with all your force and see if there is any lift/aggitation. If yes we proceed, if no get drunk!

Now that we've established that you're still having issues it's time to pull that liner out again and stare at it. Give it a mean glare like you're Clint Eastwood about to shoot it dead on main street. OK now that that's out of the way you'll want either a tongue shim or some more of that 3M Foam. I prefer tongue shims, they're white and easier to cut to the proper shape. Grab one of those and set it in on the outside of the liners tongue (note this won't work with a burrito wrap liner). Duct tape it in place then put the liner back in the boot and tie it up again. Proceed with the knee over the toe flat footed shit. Does it work? Yes, proceed to get drunk and fist fuck a hooker. No? OK, time to move on to more customization.

Take the tongue shim out again, grab your trusty table mounted belt sander and safety glasses. You may also need a razor knife to trim to fit. Don't worry about cutting these things apart it's all good. Trim it to fit the tongue. If it looks like this is the proper thickness and where you need it cut, adhere it to the tongue of the liner put it back in the boot. Did this fix it? If yes continue to flog that farm animal if no turn on the belt sander and put the glasses on. While the sander is going to town put the tongue shim on the belt and sand off a few mm's and remember to bevel the edges, the reason for the beveling is to make the shell tongue wrap around the liner better.

After you do this put it back in the boot. Tie it up. Did this solve the problem? Yes, Cool go shred and come back and fuck 2 Norwegian bikini models. No? OK now we're going to get even more advanced in the boot fitting.

Pull that liner out again, give it a mean stare, again! Good got that out of your system? Now grab some more of that 3M Foam and some duct tape! Build a foam back spine up the back of the boot that looks like a T so that it goes from the base of the heel then branches out around your overly tiny girl calves. Adhere it to the liner, then cover it with duct tape to prevent it from coming off. Put the liner back in the boot, again! Tie it up flex around and shit see if that fixes the problem.

If it fixes the problem send me a personal check for 200 dollars. If it doesn't it's time to check out some more boots.

Now I personally recommend something like the K2 Maysis or T1 DB or UFO. It's a single shell boa which if you know how to flex into a boa boot you can get it tight around the ankle and calf. The internal boa harness is adjustable to the shape of your instep and that helps with ankle issues. It also acts as a double shelled boa without all the bullshit you're dealing. I know your pain as I was forced into the Thraxis (triple boa) due to a boa malfunction of epic proportions.

If none of this works quit snowboarding and take up sit skiing. You'll be the recumbent biker of snowboarding.
Backing over my Insano with my car? This is why I love the Internet (besides porn). You can't buy advise like this, and I will do this as soon as my trip is over.

As far as the other advice goes I'll have to read it more them once as its a lot to picture and I'm only working with my iPhone right now. What I'd really like is someone I can just pay to do this for me. I'm assuming all this advice is for my Soloman's? Is it likely snowboard shops carry all these aftermarket material.

Just to be clear.... Ankle fit is good with my Soloman's, it's just everything above my ankle is loose as shit which in turn puts pressure on my ankle. Feels like I'm almost going to brake it.

Maybe I'll see if there is such thing as a custom boot fitter in my area that can do this all for me.

I have 6 long boarding trips planned this season above my local riding days, and someone will have to die before I go into anyone of them with boots that don't fit.

Thanks for the advice.
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Honestly you should go to a ski boot fitter and explain to them everything and print this out and ask him if it makes sense. If he's a good one he'll be able to make it happen. Ideally you're probably looking at about an hour to two of custom work to the boots which if I was doing it I would charge you 35 an hour plus parts so probably a 100 to 150 bucks total if I was in a bad mood, good mood 50 to 80 bucks.
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Lol, grab some K2's. also, try to sell the boots if the store wont take them.
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