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Old 08-31-2013, 09:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Didn't you guys just get 50 million in upgrades?

I'll give you some advice on making the move. Anyone can sit around and talk about doing it and how it would be cool, but those that actually do it come out of it with the stories and life experiences. Only have one life might as well do it doing what you love.

For all the M2M's in the audience, I'm adding to BA's post through endorsement and not directing this at him.

Fr you people that are afraid to do shit in life, use this model and your life will be much more full. I don't know how many friends I have that always talk..... They never do. I moved up to the mtns 3 years ago and it has been a great experience. If its a dream, do it or you will likely always wish you did......

All the travel I do is a great experience, it's usually just a ticket somewhere or a destination country with no goal of where to stop at.... Rent a car and end up wherever every day....
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:50 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'll give you some advice on making the move. Anyone can sit around and talk about doing it and how it would be cool, but those that actually do it come out of it with the stories and life experiences. Only have one life might as well do it doing what you love.
The primary reason we moved from Toronto to Calgary was the mountains. Now the only thing I wish in life is that we'd made the move sooner.

On the other hand, the Calgary economy is better, so it's not like we have to live the "snowboard bum" life to ride great mountains whenever we want.

My advice to anyone is to do it. If you're not in love with the city you live in, change the job, relocate, and spend your life in the mountains.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:51 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Wow, I still call my recent ones "new" after 40days. Hmmm... Honestly interested to find out why. Don't want to generate a problem where there is none (although riding many seasons, I'm noobish if it comes to gear, bought whatever was the stiffer women's boot/binding set around in the little local shop and just rode with it). Worked out well so far, but I'm sure, there's a lot of optimization potential. I've learned many things on this forum so far and maybe the boots are the next issue I'll have a closer look at next season...

Do you replace them so frequently cos they come apart? Or do they begin to hurt/you get pressure points? Or do you actually loose performance? I get from the posts that packing out seems to be an issue... Is that the case for every brand or are there huge differences in quality/"packing-out" tendency?

As I said, I always had Burton boots before (no clear preference, the shop at the mountain just had them in stock), and replaced them after around 120days; not cos they were uncomfortable but cos the new ones just offered new features I liked. Major wear n tear I recognized is softening of the soles (annoying imprints of the toes), which did't disturb anymore since I use different soles.
I carefully dry the boots after every day; they are 100% dry in the morning. Is that potentially making them last longer?

The "new" ones are K2 (new little shop with a different brand). And I honestly didn't feel much difference at the end of the season. I bind them very tight... does this maybe hinder that I feel disturbed by potential packing out? They are still stiff and comfortable, no pressure points or so. Maybe I'd feel a difference if I'd compare them to new ones though...

Please don't say it's cos I'm not riding hard enough... I really do my best to ride aggressively all day long. Is it a matter of weight? Or am I just bluntly oblivious and should think of getting my feet checked for first signs of smoker's leg
Well to be blunt you're just oblivious.

The thing people don't realize is that the day you try your snowboard boots on is the day they will be the stiffest and tightest. From that day forward they only get softer and pack out.

Everyone wears a boot differently and everyone has points where they break down. I break back spines in my boots, always have, probably always will. I create pocketed heel pressure points. The new K2 Endo seems to have rectified some of the issues but it still persists. I also blow out the over stitch at the forefoot from hiking in it. This point is a flex point that creates wear and tear causing it to blow out on my back foot. Which is also attributed to me holding my board on the chair lift.

Every boot packs out different based off the riders foot. But you are correct that certain liner material will pack out more and some will pack out less. This is why Burton for 2013/14 has changed liners. Some boots will pack out a quarter to a half a size while others will pack out a full size.

I've ridden K2 boots now for 7 years for a reason. I ride the same last and usually the same model because I know how it's going to fit and pack out. Having two different sized feet that are a size apart I have to do custom work and get things to fit a little differently so knowing what I'm getting works.

The big thing to remember is the best boot is the one that fits your feet and no one can tell you what fits your foot. They might suggest stuff to you based off how your foot is shaped and then go from there. This is why I believe custom snowboard boot work is a part of snowboarding more shops need to get in, it is a game changer.


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The primary reason we moved from Toronto to Calgary was the mountains. Now the only thing I wish in life is that we'd made the move sooner.

On the other hand, the Calgary economy is better, so it's not like we have to live the "snowboard bum" life to ride great mountains whenever we want.

My advice to anyone is to do it. If you're not in love with the city you live in, change the job, relocate, and spend your life in the mountains.
There are people that move to the mountains to live the "bum" life and there are people that move there to live the "snowboard bum" life. Big difference. It's like when I see the kids loading up on Ramen, that's the bum life and they'll probably get scurvy and I see the people eating the right foods. Might not be a rich man but definitely not living the bum life. It's all about choices and you control them.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:24 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I get new boots every year. I do notice that my left boot always packs out quicker than my right one. Could be my riding style or just the fact that my left leg is stronger than my right one.
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....And I honestly didn't feel much difference at the end of the season. I bind them very tight... does this maybe hinder that I feel disturbed by potential packing out? They are still stiff and comfortable, no pressure points or so. Maybe I'd feel a difference if I'd compare them to new ones though...
Well, you know kiddo. That is something you could easily do! Just take your old boots into the shop with you and compare them with a new pair, side by side! See if you can notice a difference!

I'm still not very adept at distinguishing subtle differences in gear! Not enough varied riding experience yet I suppose! (...or I could just be "oblivious!")
Aside from trying something that feels grossly out of whack, or uncomfortable as hell, it's difficult for me to tell sometimes just exactly what it is that feels vaguely, or weirdly different in the way a new piece of gear feels or the way a new boot fits!

Having said that, with probably a little over 100 days on my boots, In my inexperience with bindings, tightening, fit, and the proper way to fit and heat mold them, I know I prematurely packed them out in that first full season! Some of that I fixed after reading BA's repeated advice to others about going to a proper "Boot Fitter!!" and not just some minimum wage sales clerk!!

To emphasize the importance of this point, in the very same ski/snowboard shop where I actually got the "proper" fitting? The first salesperson I asked about a snowboard boot fitting, told me "there really wasn't anything that can be done to custom fit a snowboard boot."

Well thanks to BA & others here, I knew that was BS so I asked a manager! He happened to be the Boot Fitter too!

I got fitted with the proper wedges, C and L bars for heel lift and wound up springing for a $120 pair of custom molded, hard plastic footbeds! What a Difference!!!!

This last season, those fit fixes eliminated 85-95% of ALL the foot discomfort I was having! I found my balance and riding improved, and I didn't have to unstrap from my board every third or fourth run to let my feet recover!!!!! Definitely time and money well spent!!!!
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:25 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Just so everyone knows I am working on a video series outlining how to properly fit a snowboard boot from start to finish including custom work and aftermarket footbeds. I don't expect it to be done in time for this upcoming buying season but hopefully by X mas. It's on a list of to do projects for this upcoming fall season for my site.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:44 PM   #27 (permalink)
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how does that work? Do they "unpack" when you heat them up again?
The foam, unicorn sparkles, whatever it is expands again. Probably not quite as effective as the first time. That is why twice is what they recommend.
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I buy K2 boots and they typically last a season or little longer depending on if I have work during the winter. I always like to have a extra pair around incase the cable snaps or they get soaking wet.

Earlier this year I was thinking about getting 32s but the K2 boots feel the best. Love the boa boots, I'll never go back to laces again.

I'm working on a goal to purchase a place closer to mountains but I like living in Golden honestly. It's better for my career and not to bad of a drive during the week. I'd just like to get a place closer so we can actually somewhat enjoy the weekends there without the ridiculous traffic. Most my friends gotta work during the week so I end up riding alone the majority of the time.
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prolly every 50 days. i could squeeze 100 days out of them but they would be too floppy by then.
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prolly every 50 days. i could squeeze 100 days out of them but they would be too floppy by then.
I used to have a girlfriend that said something like that....
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