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Old 03-20-2014, 05:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
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he does talk about snowboard helmets as well and how there has not been a change in materials in about 30 years. Also, i have never had a straight vertical fall on my head while snowboarding which is how all helmets are tested?

idk, i don't wear a helmet but have been researching it to see what evidence there is to wear one. I might consider the mips system if i was to start wearing one but im not sure yet.
like around a little, you'll see whatI know about helmet effectiveness, and why I trust a 30 year old design over something designed for bikers. Yeah, they MENTIONED snowsports, but all the fall testing and its changes revolved around biking.
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:15 AM   #22 (permalink)
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like around a little, you'll see whatI know about helmet effectiveness, and why I trust a 30 year old design over something designed for bikers. Yeah, they MENTIONED snowsports, but all the fall testing and its changes revolved around biking.
It's not designed for bikers, the article was in a bicycle magazine or whatever. The fall testing described in the article is similiar in snowsport helmets, see prevailing cert in eu CEN 1077 - Fiswiki. The points made in the article to some extent are valid for snowboarding also.

Back to op. It's impossible to say, a high end/mips helmet could make a difference but who knows. I have a shitty 60€ helmet but seeing as i'm spending a lot of €€ on snowboarding might just as well buy a decent helmet and hope it makes a difference.

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MIPS is definitely an interesting subject when it comes to helmets, as it is primarily the best tech to hit helmets for the last 30 years, and as most accidents and falls are in this manner, common sense says it must make a difference...

The fact that it is available under license as well makes it a much better solution as you still get to choose the helmet manufacturer as well...

What does surprise me though, is that the standard is so low for protection, the standard is a fall from 1.5m straight down, and i don't think that is enough, as most people are taller than 1.5m if it was 2.5 metres then the product has to be significantly better, as the forces are so much higher, and 2.5m is not even a small jump straight to the floor, so imagine hitting a big kicker, now i understand that not everyone hits these, but almost everyone will hit a small jump at some stage, and this means more injuries if you fall...

I understand the costs involved, but i still think that the most important part of your body when it comes to snowboarding is your head, followed by your feet, the 2 should not be thought of as cheap, but essential parts of your equipment that need protecting... Yet still people blow $600 on a board and $50 on the helmet...

Crazy thinking in my mind...

On a different note, when i started boarding, i had a helmet, and i have broken 3 helmets in 6 years, but my thinking was not because i want one for when i fall, but for when i fall and someone hits me on a board or skis, as this is where the biggest risk of death is, a metal edge cracking my skull open is not something i want, but concussion was a secondary thought... Now my thinking is different, i still fall a lot, and the helmet is essential for falls as well... But i do still have in the back of my mind being hit by someone who takes no care, like if you fall on the blindside of a jump and the person behind is not paying attention, that is a recipe for disaster...
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I guess my biggest concern is that the more expensive a helmet is, the less likely people are to throw them away when they've been compromised by a medium impact fall. I'm pretty sure mips wouldn't have saved me from a concussion, and my "old eps" definitely saved my life and my skull.
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now if they could make the helmet shape more obvious for purchasing. I have a weird head.
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I guess my biggest concern is that the more expensive a helmet is, the less likely people are to throw them away when they've been compromised by a medium impact fall. I'm pretty sure mips wouldn't have saved me from a concussion, and my "old eps" definitely saved my life and my skull.
I should have clarified that i am only considering concussion reduction when looking for a helmet. The chances of having sever head trauma is very low and i do understand that helmets save you in those rare situations.



No good evidence that mouthguards and helmets ward off concussion — BMJ

This latest version of the Consensus Statement, which has the backing of the International Olympic Committee, FIFA, the International Equestrian Federation, and the International Rugby Board, was drawn up after a two day meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, in November last year.

Over the course of the two days, researchers from around the world were invited to present the latest findings on this common type of brain injury, which has the potential to cause long term neurological damage if not dealt with appropriately, particularly in sports, such as football, rugby, ice hockey, horse riding, skiing, and boxing, where the risk of concussion is high.

A panel of 32 international experts then distilled the research - details of which are published in the current Injury Prevention and Health Protection (IPHP) issue of the British Journal of Sports Medicine - until complete agreement was reached.

The Consensus has been designed to raise awareness of concussion among the public, so for the first time includes a concussion recognition tool (CRT).

And it clarifies the definition of concussion to emphasise that a player does not have to lose consciousness before being considered concussed and therefore removed from play. Symptoms of concussion can range from headache and memory loss to irritability, slowed reaction times, and sleep disturbance, it says.

It contains a new focus on the assessment and management of concussion in kids, who should not be returned to play the same day and who may require longer to heal than adults, it says.

And it provides a useful Q&A, a handy pocket symptom checker and assessment tool, as well as advice on medico-legal considerations and injury prevention.

It makes clear that mouthguards and helmets have a role in minimising injuries and are to be recommended, but emphasises: “There is no good clinical evidence that currently available protective equipment will prevent concussion.”


I think this is the actual paper but i haven't read the whole thing yet, just the little section on helmets and it does say ski and snowboarding. Its on page 5.

http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Com...Sport_2012.pdf
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Concussion reduction is simple, don't ever do anything, then you will reduce the risk of concussion...

If you are going to participate in ANY sport, then you run the risk, the risk needs to be analysed correctly though, and unless we have a doctor to hand, that is impossible, and we have all had a fall and carried on...

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I would say that there are probably only 2 or 3 members on here that have considered or have this...!!!

Are they worth it, well, yes and no, they do what they are supposed to, but you still have the choice to ignore...

But they measure what you need to know, and the further tech comes, and the cheaper it becomes the more we are likely to have this stuff integrated into helmets... But we have a long way to come before that...

I mean helmets are not even mandatory everywhere...!!!

We have a policy at my local, if a school comes in on a school trip, under 18's are mandatory, but they are not mandatory if you are not with the school... It's a start, but it is by no means the best they can do...

All under 18's should be mandatory end of story, at every resort, if you grow up taking responsibility for yourself with this, it will rub off into your future and other activities... Maybe then the blame culture will start disappearing... Doubtful, but we can hope eh... Haha
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I guess my biggest concern is that the more expensive a helmet is, the less likely people are to throw them away when they've been compromised by a medium impact fall. I'm pretty sure mips wouldn't have saved me from a concussion, and my "old eps" definitely saved my life and my skull.
I totally agree with this. I buy skate/bmx helmets (specifically the Protec B2) for this exact reason. Thrash em and dump em.
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You can always replace your helmet I'm pretty sure you can't replace your skull. Investing in a new helmet after I have compromised it once would just give me peace of mind.

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You can always replace your helmet I'm pretty sure you can't replace your skull. Investing in a new helmet after I have compromised it once would just give me piece of mind.
in theory, yeah, sadly I just worry a lot of people won't... particularly the more expensive the helmets get.
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