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post #271 of 373 (permalink) Old 03-19-2013, 05:45 AM
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To add some rough numbers to the injury rate discussion.

People drive about 3'000 billion passenger miles in the US per year. There are around 2 million injuries for car occupants per year. Assuming you drive 100miles / per snowboarding day, that works out to 1 injury / 15'000 days (ignoring road conditions).

Statistics for snowboarding show around 1 injury / 350 days.
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SnoWolf, you do have to take into account that you ride more frequently that probably 99% of us on terrain that is much less crowded and with more advanced riders.
I often feel at alot of resorts around me that I have a better chance of someone smashing into me on the mountain than on the roads getting there.
Alot of this probably boils down to personal experience and conditions also.. I get many many fewer days a year than you, yet because of the conditions I ride in, which are probably less forgiving overall, I've already suffered a concussion, 2 broken collarbones and tons of scrapes and ice burns. Now, I don't want to assume, but I do know that you get to do alot of back country riding and that you're probably exposed to far more powder (forgiving conditions.) so based on personal experience, as much as I love to snowboard, it will seem, and justifiably so, more dangerous to me than to you.
I think the entire political side of this argument is just too much - it exists right now only in a state of "oh no's" and "what ifs." You seem well travelled, but idk if you've ever been to NYC. It's the cultural epicenter of this country, and much, much more liberal and free than many would probably think. Bloomberg may seem like a control freak, and I don't necessarily agree with his proposed bans on certain drinks, the tax on tobacco, etc. but he isn't a stupid man either and fiscally there is merit to what he is doing. We can all agree that tobacco isn't good for your health .. By taxing the shit out of it, NYC is able to recoup some money while making those who smoke ( and I'm one of them) think twice about spending 12$ for their next pack. They can if they want, but it definitely stops and makes you think.


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Maybe I'm naive, but I like to think that the checks and balances of this government still has some merit. Bloombergs power only extends so far,and even though he is subject to being overruled by higher ups.

And I'm not saying the degree of difficult with which you ride is less, but I would surmise that the people you ride WITH are more advanced like yourself and therefore pose less of a threat to you on the mountain than say you're once a year north easterners who are more like land mines on the trails than other riders. I am constantly watching in every direction to keep myself safe. I've been injured and fallen more trying to avoid injuring someone else who cannot control themselves than in any other way on the mountain... Knock on wood.
Even my broken collarbone (the first time) was a case of coming over a lip doing a small FS 180 and seeing a 6 year old in rental skis right in my landing area


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I am dumbfounded that this thread has 310 posts with grown people discussing the merits of wearing a helmet.

It's like arguing if Chevy is better than GMC. There is no correct answer, do what works for YOU!!!


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Oh believe me, I'm envious of every picture you post of where you ride lol. Those are things I only get to see in dreams ! On the upside, we are getting some late season snow over here also which may extend the season a week or two .

And I know you weren't comparing Stalin to Bloomberg exactly.. I was just trying to intelligently add to the convo while I took my morning poop before work.


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Re: To wear or not to wear a Helm?

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Absolutely insane!!!!

Rescue helicopter on standby, search & rescue team ready to deploy, GPS beacon, personal avalanche guide and a helmet for me if I was ever to attempt something like that.... Boy I'd love to learn....

Fascinating!!!
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Of those snowboarding injuries, how many were caused by someone else?
According to a paper I have here, collisions account for 6.4% of accidents (for snowboarders + skiers). Skiers are 3x more likely to be involved in collisions (my perceptions about the reckless skier morons appear to correct), so the number for snowboarders alone will be significantly lower.
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Of those car injuries, how many were caused by the other driver?
All I suppose.

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I feel that I have way more control over my own safety on the mountain than I do on the road where any ding dong can screw up and take me out. Add to that the idea that I would much rather get clocked by the 200 pound out of control skier at 35 MPH than the texting teenager in dads 2,000 pound SUV doing 60 MPH
Neither one sounds very healthy.

Just the other day, I was standing outside the lift line. A skier moron goes by the slow sign at maybe 40mph, tries a hockey stop, his edges dig in and he catapults himself flying for 25ft or so. If I hadn't seen him coming, he might have hit me.

I feel safer in a car...
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To add some rough numbers to the injury rate discussion.

People drive about 3'000 billion passenger miles in the US per year. There are around 2 million injuries for.ar occupants per year. Assuming you drive 100miles / per snowboarding day, that works out to 1 injury / 15'000 days (ignoring road conditions).

Statistics for snowboarding show around 1 injury / 350 days.
That was close to what my gut said. But I didn't try to look up any numbers. Thanks for the effort.
Is days per rider injury an industry standard metric? It makes more sense than what I was trying to use (rider miles per injury.) Lol. I'm a research analyst and have learned a TON of industries over the years but sadly winter outdoor recreation isnt one of them.

I don't people should be weary of stats per se. They just need to understand what the stats are trying to tell them and understand the basic rules of probability and statistical testing.
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Post Beautiful shots, but...

I love these shots, but I have to admit that my Navy flying career spoiled me a bit. If you cant put about 15 degrees nose up on the VDI, firewall the throttles and be absolutely rock solid certain that the plane will climb away regardless of conditions, I'm a little sketchy (especially with no ejection seat). I did most of my land based flying out of San Diego, but made a couple of trips up to Whidbey and grew up in the Cascades watching the A-6's blast overhead on the VR-1351/1355. We had a couple of nice low level routes over the Colorado River and the Salton Sea out east of El Centro, but they weren't quite the same, although you could roll right over Big Bear and say hi to the midweek folks on the slopes. Big props to you mountain flyers in a 182.

P.S. I'd probably wear a helmet
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Thanks bro and thanks for serving your country ( ex Air Force here). The 182 is perfect for those long cross country flights but when I want to really get the goods in the backcountry, its the Aviat Husky....


Do you own these planes or own a share of them? When I was looking into taking lessons buying a share seemed to be the route to take.
Unfortunately life / career started taking off and I kind of pushed it off. I'd love to start checking on it again.

10 or so years ago they figured around 10k to get a private pilot lisence. Getting your Instrument ratings looked like it would be the big cost !
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